(Colorado Shooting) Why can't we have a debate about the 250+ million guns here in America?
In the days following the shooting, several prominent conservatives stated that we Americans cannot have a debate about controlling our *huge* amount of guns. One Fox News host said that this would be an insult to the American people. So we can't have a debate? Last time I checked, this is still a *free* country.
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Posted by SingleDad40 Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:49AM
We can sit and have a debate...a debate over enforcing bans...the buying selling of guns....ammo..accessories...whatever you want to debate....
A debate is a waste of time....
We can pass all the gun regulations we choose or want...the ONLY people it will EVER affect is the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS...the ones who act responsibly and maturely and you want the option to own a gun....it will NEVER have any impact on the idiots who do stupid sh*t like the countless shootings!
I am sure in this little **** hole town i live in....i can walk out my door with money and within a half hour have a firearm....WITHOUT any form of criminal check!!
Like they say...If we outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns!!
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Reply by ecpc Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:01AM
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:33AM
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Posted by lickitysplit Jul 26th, 2012 at 5:11PM
Debate all you like. Until you pass a Constitutional Amendment overturning the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, your debate is nothing but hot air. And please understand that I say that there are many of us out here in America who will fight to the death before anyone takes away are firearms. I refuse to rely upon any Government to protect me. They are incapable of doing so. Furthermore, it is Government like we have gotten from President Obama that scares me more than anything else.
I personally took an oath before God to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I gave years of my life to doing exactly that in service to my nation. I will not allow my Government to be usurped through illegal and unconstitutional means by any power without a fight.
The simple truth of the matter is that, had there been law abiding armed citizens in the theater, the mass murderer and domestic terrorist would have been so busy ducking and running for his own life, a lot fewer innocents would have been shot.
In my responses to several of the other posters in this thread indicated, armed law-abiding citizens can make a big difference in situations such as this. While the specifics of the situation differ, there are enough similarities to make it worthwhile to refer you all to the article at the following link:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/the-aurora-shooting-you-didnt-hear-about-in-the-media/
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Reply by CopperCoil Jul 24th, 2012 at 8:14PM
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Reply by maverick321 Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:23AM
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Posted by OnIceNice Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:37AM
bc its not the guns we need to control its the ppl who have them.....and good luck with that one....
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Reply by ecpc Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:52AM
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Reply by Slatz23 Jul 25th, 2012 at 9:43AM
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Posted by RoseTears Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:39AM
We all saw through history how well the prohibition went -_-. It will be no different if they try to take guns away.
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Reply by ecpc Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:05AM
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Reply by RoseTears Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:07AM
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Posted by CopperCoil Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:19PM
Until there are no guns for anyone, criminals, average citizens, nor even military or police, deaths due firearms will continue. Though first things first you are 1/3 more likely to die by accidentally falling than by a gunshot wound and 3x more likely to die at your own hand then by someone else shooting you, so you better watch your step and keep taking your happy pills, for those are both things that are truly in you immediate power to control.
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Reply by MontiPora Jul 25th, 2012 at 11:55AM
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Posted by maple10 Jul 24th, 2012 at 2:12PM
Why are liberals so obsessed with guns, why do they seem to think the answer to every problem is to restrict the rights of honest law abiding citizens while giving more rights to the criminals among us?
If you break into my home or attack me or a member of my family I will do everything I can to stop you including the use of deadly force. The liberals would have you grab the telephone and shout at the intruder stop or I'll dial 911!
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Reply by califdom Jul 25th, 2012 at 11:09AM
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Posted by originalmadman Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:52AM
its pretty simple. Laws that require in a time-ly manor ,the execution of all people found guilty using a fire arm during the commission of a crime. ( all crime with a fire arm). No loop holes, no excuses, no exceptions the number of crimes "by" fire arm in this country would drop a great deal. The number of repeat offenses would be even lower (cause the maggots using guns in crimes would be dead ( to a large extent. anti gunners your stance is plainly stupid and discrimanates against about two-hundred-seventy five million Americans who do own or have owned fire arms. there are countries which have outlawed guns. move to one of them __that way you can shut the phucckk up:)
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Reply by BabzEsq24 Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:07AM
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:32AM
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Posted by BamPow Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:39AM
Whether it's gun control or any number of issues, the lines have been drawn, and there just seems to be no room for debate, discussion, or compromise on anything anymore.
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Posted by pinkgodslippers Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:05AM
What is there to debate? I got some...if you don't have one get one.
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:30AM
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Posted by Methen Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:13PM
Here is what it comes down to, people aint going to give up there guns until everyone else does to,That includes police,army,FBI , everyone now what do you think the odds of that happening is?!
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Posted by auspicious Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:27AM
It would be a futile debate. It is like abortion. Each side has an opinion set in stone.
No good to debate it because it would be a never ending debate with no clear winners on either side.
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Posted by TheSquirrel Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:05AM
The last debate I had about that topic was 1983. Either you want that right or you don't. I want the option, even though I do not currently own any weapons.
Remember, that smiling a-hole was in Colorado. If he had been in Texas or Oklahoma, he would not have made it out alive.
And don't forget, the murder per gun ratio here is extremely low.
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:30AM
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Reply by TheSquirrel Jul 24th, 2012 at 5:11PM
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Posted by ManicMonday Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:47AM
Somebody tries to take my guns, I will be one very pissed off *****. I'm sorry, but gun control and the NRA will always be butting heads. Honestly, I can't believe there wasn't one person in that theatre with a concealed carry...God knows if there was, there might not have been so many casualties.
I use guns for sport, hunting, or just for ***** and giggles, and owning a firearm does not automatically make a person bad or devious. Hell, the hillbillies around my part of Ohio would go absolute apeshit if they didn't have a gun. I feel safer with one in my home, living in the middle of nowhere. Plus it's a nice shock to people who dont think a woman is gonna have a gun on her :)
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Reply by SingleDad40 Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:00AM
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Reply by ManicMonday Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:12AM
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Posted by SilenceEvermore Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:41AM
You can, but the amount of gun crimes committed with guns purchased legally compared to the amount of people who legally own guns will not aid your argument.
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Posted by CodeCruncher Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:39AM
It's not the guns. And it's actually not the people.
It's the society.
Shootings and random acts of violence, etc, are a symptom of a sick society. I say, let's find the root of the problem instead of focusing on the shallow symptoms of a deep illness.
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Reply by CopperCoil Jul 24th, 2012 at 8:42PM
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Reply by CodeCruncher Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:58PM
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Posted by califdom Jul 25th, 2012 at 10:47AM
We can have a debate sure. Lets see 250 million guns, how many guns are used by criminals to commit crimes vs how many are used to save lives.
The media deliberately doesn’t report those stories.
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/athens-ga-man-uses-a-gun-to-save-a-woman-from-a-violent-career-criminal/question-2760357/
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-father-shoots-1-of-3-armed-home-invaders-who-were-holding-his-son-hostage/
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10741492
http://thearmedcitizen.com/
The problem isn’t guns, it’s the criminal. Blaming the gun is like blaming the fork for making you fat. Or the bottle of booze for making you drunk. It’s the personal actions of the criminal. How about doing away with all gun laws and put in place 3.
# 1. Use a gun in the commission of a crime (without discharging it) 15 years , no parole.
# 2. Use a gun in the commission of a crime injuring or maiming someone 25 years no parole.
#3. Killing someone with a gun automatic death penality.
Enforce those laws and there will still be the idiot that uses a gun to commit a crime.
You said there are 250 million guns , ok . How many of those 250 mil are not used in the commission of a crime?
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 25th, 2012 at 11:15AM
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Reply by califdom Jul 25th, 2012 at 11:21AM
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Posted by GwydionFrost Jul 25th, 2012 at 9:20AM
You know, that's a lot of guns. And all of them are dangerous.
But strangely enough, that's also the reason that we've never needed to fear an invasion from a foreign power. Because whomever would be stupid enough to invade would discover that they would have to take this entire nation one city block at a time, with a populous armed to the teeth. This bloody cost would be so great, no one has attempted it.
Does it bother me that lately there are more and more people going nutso with guns? Yes, it bothers me that more and more people are going nutso. Perhaps we need to look at what it is that is turning our population into a convention of apathetic sociopaths?
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Reply by mr60 Jul 25th, 2012 at 9:52AM
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Reply by originalmadman Jul 25th, 2012 at 10:05AM
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Posted by highlander1999 Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:24AM
people been debating that for years. every time some one gets shot people start saying we need to get rid of the guns. it s like they think the guns have a brain and say gee i think i will go shoot some one today. or make more laws . like some chiminals realy care about the laws
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Posted by JEEPWRANGLERGUY95 Jul 24th, 2012 at 11:11PM
ok ..... lets look at numbers here people........ look at them for good honest citizens that protect their home and loved ones vs ******** like Holmes. That is sad and tragic, I myself would of loved to have been there and dropped him with 2 rounds to his chest and one between his eyes before that got that far. As sad as that and the others are, they DO not come cose to the numbers of good people whose lives were saved by guns !!! Stop looking at the guns and LOOK at the *******. They WILL KILL even if guns are non existant, If THEY CHOOSE to do so.
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Reply by NigelDoes Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:01AM
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Posted by newalla Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:01PM
What's to debate at this stage? The 2nd Amendment of our Constitution protects the Right of the People to keep and bear arms. I really doubt any more "debating" about the issue will change anyones mind.
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