Enough of the hate mongering. To bow is a sign of respect for the foreign leaders. We need more people in the world showing respect for others whether we agree with them or not. It is the first step towards a peaceful world.
Facts are facts. How we interpret or twist facts can be understanding or hateful. ...... Fact: Saddam Hussein was an evil man who committed crime against humanity which he justified as being in the interest of national security. Fact: Bush committed similar crimes against humanity in his attack upon, and occupation of Iraq. (Careful of your blood pressure.) Fact: There are people who are still loyal to Saddam and either defend his crimes or claim the accusations against him are Sunni Muslim lies. Fact: There are people loyal to Bush who either defend his crimes or claim the accusations against him are liberal lies. ..... All facts. Who is calling for secrecy, violence, and injustice, and who is calling for the facts to be revealed and due process to be served?
This is NOT American, sorry! But we bow to each other here when we meet, simply a courtesy - not as deep as Japanese though!
But he is. He authorized torture. That is a war crime. No pinion. No hate mongering. Just fact.
if the facts are applicable then yes
Expediency is what turns great nations into authoritarian regimes. Even if I was to concede that expediency was prudent, the fact remains that the government did not stop with known high ranking operatives. The U.S. Government has kidnapped and tortured one American citizen from Oregon, "renditioned" him, and after the torture was over, found out they had the wrong guy. Oops. Add to that the cab drivers and sheep herders that have been tortured, and you have inexcusable crimes. .... You ask if I would oppose the torture if they were holding one of my loved ones. I would ask you, would you oppose it if the U.S. Government tortured one of your loved ones by mistake? .... If we don't hold to our morals and ethics, then we become no better than the people we torture. It used to be that American's understood that if the government had the "right" to torture one person, they could torture anyone and everyone. In the wake of courts upholding the right of the government to torture, you can bet that some day, you will be objecting to them torturing someone you love for the sake of national security.
Water boarding doesn't leave outward physical signs - unless the person dies - which does happen. The risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack, is real. Permanent damage to the lungs is real. Expected common psychological responses to water boarding are panic attacks, depression and PTSD. The "enhanced interrogations" at Guantanamo is so cruel that in 2005 120 of the 350 prisoners attempted suicide. Their attempts weren't because of fanatical beliefs. Their choice to kill themselves was because death was preferable to living in the man made hell we call enhanced interrogations. Your comment that physical damage is a hallmark of torture is as out dated as cutting off fingers and breaking bones to force confessions. A rose by any name. Torture by any name.
Other leaders follow American custs of respect(like shaking hands) so WHY should our leaders Not show at least as much respect!
you would rather he disrespect heads of state. in some countries its a sign of respect not submission. Obama has turned our reputation with other countries completely around from george bush who ran with the policy "screw you we'll just just bomb your ***"--------------part 2 you people are pathetic. other countries have different customs. if your on forieign soil, negotiating with heads of state would it not make sense to follow their customs rather than starting off by insulting them by not following their customs. its really a no brainer you get more flies with honey than vinegar
I think it's ironic that you imply with your statement here that if Obama didn't bow, he would be disrespecting "heads of state". Using that logic, exactly what you think it implied when those heads of state blatantly did NOT bow to Obama? News flash.. he did America absolutely no favors.
he is commander in chief, diplomat in chief and bowing is in no way an act of submission
what im inferring, actually stating is that by bowing he is merely following that countries customs
our president follows protocol and does not bow first
It's called being polite to people whose culture doesn't involved the handshake. Nothing more than showing he has manners and respect.
americans only,.................. what are you a racist.......................you clown
A question about the foreign policy of one of the most powerful countries in the world isn't the business of foreigners? I respectfully disagree.
I'm not an american but I feel you should read up on real politik and your country should get it's head out of it's *** and realise that you are fast becoming a joke with your us and israel against the world bollox.
if your not american then no one cares about you opinion
America is a country founded on genocide of its native inhabitants, it was developed by the hands of slave labor, it imprisoned Japanese citizens, shot students at Kent state, invaded Iraq, toppled governments in south America that were democratically elected, imprisoned foreign citizens without charging them, slaughtered civilians in Viet Nam and Korea.....and your pissed off at an act of respect, sheesh
your an idiot who does not do his research. our government sent blankets infected with small pox to native americans a disease so horrible that your skin falls off
what about sandanistas in nicaragua
Atrocities are committed on both sides but does that make it right
as for slave labor how about the chinese that built our railroads
get your **** together before spouting crap
Bowing is a form of groveling, it is done to acknowledge anothers Superior social status, the President of the USA should not bow to anyone.
See Miss Manners on the protocol. Americans do not bow to foreign monarchs because that act signified the monarch's power over his subjects.
Here is the protocol from the Queen of England's website -- which applies even to her own subjects:
"The Queen meets thousands of people each year in the UK and overseas. Before meeting Her Majesty, many people ask how they should behave. The simple answer is that there are no obligatory codes of behaviour - just courtesy.
However, many people wish to observe the traditional forms of greeting.
For men this is a neck bow (from the head only) whilst women do a small curtsy. Other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way.
On presentation to The Queen, the correct formal address is 'Your Majesty' and subsequently 'Ma'am'. "
I think that the fact that the other leaders are -not- bowing speaks more than Obama's bow does. When someone comes to American soil, they're in our playground and the bows should be coming our way -- not the other way around. But bowing as a sign of respect is perfectly reasonable to me if both parties are doing it. When you have someone taking your bow and just smiling back while visiting -your- country, you're practically begging to viewed as weak, impotent, and disrespectful of your own country.
more idiocy, protocol dictates that the host countries head of state bow first. then our president would do so in kind. our president would never be the first
That's ironic, and very interesting, then.. because when Obama goes overseas, he doesn't get bowed to there, either.
thats the trouble, you dont think
Haha. So you have no useful information to provide to this debate but you can insult people you don't know simply because their opinion (and the facts) differ from you own. Sorry, that isn't impressive.
aparently its a sign of respect. and a good one although i hope he did it right. its all about the eye contact
It is disloyal and disrespectful to America - this is your president, folks! Sure glad I had the good judgement not to vote for him in 2008. I'll be voting for Romney this year - a real man who loves American and it's citizens!
It's a sign of respect to a lot of people and cultures. You don't want to disrespect someone by disregarding their culture. It would be like someone we first meet not shaking our hands since in our culture that is what's taught to us from a young age what to do. President Kennedy got a lot of negitive press for kissing the Popes ring back in the 60's but since he was catholic that's what you did when meeting the Pope. I think it shouldn't be over analyzed.
Seriously? Seriously? This is what you ask? Seriously?
Bowing is an act of submission. No head of state should bow to another.
I think our government has done far more embarrassing things on the world stage.
Only someone terminally stupid or blindly partisan ignore all the times George Bu**sh** bowed.
You can't be a jerkoff if you're not a yank.
I do not particularly like it. Let them cope with our tradition of shaking hands.
But I suppose it is less embarrassing than throwing up on them (if you recall Bush Senior barfing in Japan).
Of course, while he is bowing to them, they may still be wondering if he has an attack drone with their name on it.
Like most other people, I was thinking it was about respect, and therefore a good thing that should be done, part of at least an effort to mend our relations with the other countries.
only in America...