I think you're misunderstanding their argument. It's not that WAGES are too high, it's that we shouldn't raise the MINIMUM wage.

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Then he shouldn't have directly said, "wages too high". Because if the minimum wage is too high, that means everyone else is also definitely making too much.

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That's quite a non-sequitur you have there. "If minimum wage too high, all wage too high." I don't even.

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Omg I seriously need to move lol

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we can never beat china at cheap, that history of sacrifice to the larger group
so why not make things that are better
why not take a hint from a lot of europe
high wages. free health and education
long vacations
happiness,
cheap is not good and good is not cheap

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Sounds good but unfortunately Europe is also going the wrong way.

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What is going on in Europe is not working.

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Well I'm always hearing about how America is doomed and collapsing, but we managed to self-destruct without a national healthcare system or affordable higher education. Weird, huh?

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Funny thing...Every candidate on the debate stage is a millionaire !!!

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That's what the rich white folks over 50 have been saying since the Tea Party was formed...Imagine that !

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How is it you imagine you're not competing with low wage countries right now? Their products are freely available in the market place. What mechanism would protect you? Smoot-Hawley? That kicked off the great depression.

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I shall explain. Some countries produce cheap goods, in part by paying their employees pennies a day. Americans cannot work for pennies a day. Our economy is much to rich to allow anyone to survive from such a sum. Suggesting that we should try to compete in such endeavors by lowering our wages, as Trump did, is asinine. US workers cannot work for such minuscule sums. We could instead do as makes sense. Invest in the quality and productivity of our workforce. A high skill and expertise workforce is not something that can be cobbled together into a sweatshop so easily. Sure they assemble the smart-phones in China, but do you know where the parts for those phones are made? Germany and Japan. They manufacture high-end electronic components at the forefront of the modern economy, and they themselves have strong economies with high standards of living. The sweatshop nations are for poorer. When choosing a path, why should we try to compete with sweatshop nations by lowering our wages? Could we not instead take the path that other successful nations have taken, the path that we ourselves pioneered? Which do you want to be? The penny-laborer, or the forefront of the global economy?

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nice narrative, even the untrue parts. Now, if you're not too busy, would you also like to address the point I actually raised. By what mechanism do you think you can be protected against wage competition? Those willing to work cheaply produce goods available in competition with many of ours. Investing in our "workers" today means investing in robotics. Explain how we can produce goods at $20/hr that are economically competitive with goods produced at $2/day.

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Like I said, don't. We don't have to produce happy-meal toys better than anyone else, we can do better things. Produce software, micro-chips, advanced materials, invent new materials, high precision machinery, etc. Like I said, the parts for the smart phones come from Germany and Japan, and those workers are not being paid minimum wage. Guess what another side effect would be? If we produced those goods here, it'd be a lot harder to justify sending them oversees for assembly and then reimporting them. But if that seems too difficult to you, and you'd rather not compete for the advanced positions, then perhaps sweat-shops are a better option. "Winning" as Trump is so fond of talking about, is about competing for the TOP spot, not the bottom one.

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so those clowns who are demanding $15/hr at Acme Burger are simply going to become software engineers instead? The dufusses at Footlocker are going to become chip designers or optical engineers? The bulk of the employee base in this country is semi-skilled at best and it's output is in direct competition with the world. A tiny fraction of that employee base fills the jobs you describe and are hugely productive needing not many more co-workers to meet the demand.Your plan?

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Go ahead and google "US skills gap" any time and you'll notice that businesses have been complaining about a skill gap in the US workforce for a long time. Some of them are probably BSing, but some of that is real. Right now there are elements pulling to allow more of those H1B visas so we can hire foreigners to do it. But here's the thing. The average intelligence of people doesn't actually vary much depending on where they are. What DOES vary is schooling. Simply put, there's a mismatch between what American education is giving to students, and what business is looking for. So obviously that's what we fix. Instead of handing out aid to just anyone who qualifies, we need academia to work with business to focus students into the niches we need filled. Don't just subsidize without guidance, give economic direction to students. Scale back, but don't fully eliminate, general grants and loans, and instead focus them into the fields of study that science and business are looking for. Some companies only expect to be able to fill half their positions with American workers over the next decade, but let's give them the voice to change that. It's not a problem with the intelligence of the American people, it's the lack of guidance. Did you go to university any time in the last few decades? The question they ask is, "What do you want to do?" And thats fine and dandy, but not every 18 year old kid has the savvy or incentive to say, "What's the market looking for?" And schools don't even know either. Why would they? They get paid no matter what the kid studies. So link business and education, focus education money into high demand fields, push up the number of Americans filling American jobs. Couple this with expanding the work training tax exemption. Presently a US business can only deduct training expenses that keep an employee in their present position, but that should be expanded to allow deduction for training an employee in a NEW position as well. Plenty of smart candidates exist who just need training for a new position, but employers aren't permitted to take that expense off their taxes, one reason to overlook a good match for an H1B import brought in specifically for the spot. Stop the H1B expansion, and expand the tax credit. Improve the and expand the skill base of US workers. Focus some of that education money into retraining programs too. Sometimes an industry just fades out, but many of it's workers could transition if they had access to training. Haha, what if we educate and train too many good workers? Maybe Americans will start moving over seas to take jobs in other countries for a change! Bottom line, there are things we can do. What's with all the defeatism?

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mathematically, just under half of the people you meet are below average. Even with education, the positions you're banking on will not be staffed by below average people. I have great confidence the US will remain a productive, high-end powerhouse. I simply don't think it will require much staff.

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If employment needs in general keep going down, then we may need to reconsider the entire way we run the economy. With more people born all the time, but less and less need for labor, we may have to consider such things as reducing the hours in the work week and spreading the labor more evenly. Otherwise we end up with a smaller and smaller portion of people doing all the work, all the time.

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it's called the free market and it's the only system that works long term. Imposing strictures to fulfill full employment makes no more sense than subsidizing buggy whip manufacturers and carriage pony breeders when cars were introduced. Anybody still making a living producing typewriters? Sorry but just like the rest of history those that get out-produced need to find their own way and it wont be on my back, you're free to bend over though.

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Means little coming from someone who never worked a day in his life and was handed everything he has now from his father. Put trump on the wages of most Americans and he'd be in deep ****. There is no such thing as an intelligent conservative no matter what people say.

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