People that say that stuff are judging you, and that will likely punch their ticket for the train to hell. Just be the best person you can be and treat other the same way that you wish to be treated. The real final judge will welcome you.
Is not saying because you repent you have a ticket to heaven it's say that even murders who have repented still have a chance to go to heaven. People take everything to literally.
This is precisely what I have a problem with. Ultimately, if all bad deeds can be forgiven and it doesnt matter how many times a person sin, whats the point with heaven and hell? Good or bad? You made some valid points Hannah
Anyone can have eternity with God if they are forgiven their sins.
If you do not accept the gift of forgiveness of your sins offered to you by the Atonement paid for by the Messiah Jesus you will not have eternity with God.
Also you basic thinking is Human when it comes to being a good person and being a bad person. You thinking is called relative measure.. Meaning human beings have a Pass Mark thinking that if a person scores higher then their pass mark then they are called a good person and if a person scores below their personal pass make then they declare them a bad person. Some people have higher standards so for one person if another persons scores 70% + then they are declared a good person. Some people have very high standards they will not call someone good unless they score 90% + ,, Generally the persons personal opinion of their own level of goodness determines the level of the pass mark they will impose on others.
God being perfect has ab Absolute measure when determining if a person is good or bad. God is perfect therefore His pass mark is 100% . So a person to justify their own eternal existence with god in a perfect existence must achieve a life of perfection. a score of 99% is a fail to God. So therefore the only way for a person to have eternity with God who has an absolute measure of goodness is to have all their sins forgiven.
God offers all men forgiveness and it does not matter one person is at 40% or another is at 95% Both need to have their sins forgiven and God offers each person that forgiveness as a free gift through Believing Jesus and trusting in the atonement He provided.
God loves a joyful giver. God loves a loving person. But that does not mean God can compromise perfect Justice. God revealed his love by coming to earth as the Messiah Jesus and suffering a terrible death to pay the price for our sins so as to obtain atonement for us. All the Good that we have done does not cancel out all the bad we have done. And the murderers are still under the same condition and they need to believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He provided. So there are a some murderers who will not be spending eternity with God.
Also you cannot hate someone who you truly believe does not exist. Your emotional response to the revelation of God reveals that deep down inside you know that God exists. Indeed disagreement with God is no basis for any claim that God does not exist. Although it seems that most people who disbelieve in God have as their foundation disagreement with Gods will.
You have made your personal response to the revealed will of God.
You have not only rejected the Way of salvation. You have declared it to be evil.
See to be Redeemed from judgement one must be forgiven. But you have rejected this out of your pride in your good works. People like you want to attain self justification. Human pride is the enemy of mankind. Salvation through being forgiven is only a path for the Meek. And as the scriptures reveal The meek shall inherit the earth. Not the proud..
:)) the Meek will inherit the earth because God who has supreme power will remove the proud who think their strength will secure them the world.. God indeed must be laughing at the pathetic pompous pride of the vain self deluded ones who make plans for world domination.
It is the will of God to give an eternal place for the meek to uplift those who acknowledge their faultiness and trust in His perfection to secure them an Eternal future.. And i think that's wonderful and good, All Boasting is therefore with God. All praise it therefore directed to God. No boasting for for us. Only the Joy for the loving kindness of God who has given us a Way to eternal life with Him in a perfect existence. :D
All Praise The Ancient of Days
As it is prophesied in the OT so shall it be...
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
The Son is Jesus, He will come again and he will rule them with an Iron Rod
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Whats the point of mockery ? It does not cause me to question my trust in God. It only makes the mocker look ,, well childish..
Your false allegations against the Scriptures have again no effect. Yes the laws of God are good and true. And the penalty of breaking the law is still death.. The eternal death in the Lake of Fire.. See i have read all these supposed allegations before. I have been doing this online for the past 12 years on many different forums and chat sites. You have not given me anything i have not already investigated and proven wrong.
I am honored by God to face such abuse for His Names sake. Calling me an ""assshole"" surly honors me :)
You are pathetic but the worst thing is your so proud and arrogant you think your brilliant... How deluded. But as the scriptures says they are given over to delusions...
Look i am under no call to succeed in anything. It is the Message of God that succeeds with the moving effect of the Holy Spirit on the person hearing it. The Messenger if he is doing His job correctly have little to no influence of the process. So it does not affect my relationship with God or my confidence in Him when someone i am giving the message to rejects it. I do not score points when someone believes because the real mover is the Holy Spirit and the Message itself.. This is good because i never have to get depressed because of lack of performance when giving the Message. This way i can continue on doing it without missing a beat.. :D
None of the points you brought forward proved the non existence of God...
You put them forward as examples of Gods dealings that you disagree with..
The position that ""I don't agree with what God did therefore that proves that God does not exist"" Is Illogical to the extreme.
That's like me saying i have read Mein kampf by Adolph Hitler i disagree with much of what it says therefore i conclude Hitler never existed... Can you see how dumb that is?
Disagreement with Gods will simply reveals one disagrees with God it does not disprove God at all.
So why don't you believe in God then? What is it that is written in the Bible that proves that God does not exist? What is the basis of your belief that God does not exist?
God never created himself God has always been . Logically there had to be something that always existed for anything to exist because nothing can come from nothing. This is basic logic Nothing can come from Nothing therefore there must always have been something for everything to come from. Thus God is logical. It is you view that things came from nothing that is total lunacy.
Where is your proof that The universe could not have been created? you have none.
""Also, with so much evil in the Bible, the "all or nothing" way of belief, I cannot believe in it""
That is no proof that God does not exist.. Saying God is evil therefore God does not exist is no proof at all.. How illogical is that??? I don't even know why any logical person would bring any of that up.
"""Religion is based on magic, plain and simple. Parting oceans, making suns, making humans without sexx (extra x in case they censor it)? It is impossible, except in the Bible. Like talking cats and dogs, they are impossible, except in children's fairy tales."""
Again No proof... If a God exists and He is the creator then he can make all these things happen it's childs play for a God to do all these things. So thus you still have no proof to base your blind faith belief that God does not exist.
"""No one will truly know if God is real or not until they die"""
THEN STOP saying there is no God..... If you don't KNOW and have NO Proof that God does not exist then to say God does not exist as if you have proven it, is a LIE..... It's only a Blind Faith statement ....
""" but until then, I can base my opinion and conclusion on facts and common logic."""
As i have revealed there is no Logic to your conclusion you cannot come to a conclusion without irrefutable Proof... And you have None what so ever... You said it yourself ""No one will truly know if God is real or not until they die"" So Don't say God does not exist and belief in him is illogical WHEN you yourself Cannot prove his non existence and state that no one really knows.
No i simply decided to cease the discussion because it is foolish to persist with someone who is closed minded about God. And i understand your mindset about winning and losing a debate.. See that is a sign of pride and stubbornness.. not the desire to come to truth. Oh yes if you wish you can post a reply to this post and decide that because you posted last then you have some form of vain victory.. But for me discussions on God have never been about winning over an opponent. Such thinking id foolishness when it comes to talk on God. I give what i have to give until the other shows they are not interested. Then i move on.
I have already explained in detail why there are no good people, But you once again put this forward in your last post """" if murderers go to Heaven and good people go to Hell""" See this proves that you have been closed minded and have not been reading my replies. I have clearly explained that Np Human is Good. therefore your question is irrelevant to Christianity. I have been showing love and patience in this topic. I do not get any benefit in giving this message and taking this time to talk with you or others. I do not get paid neither here nor in the afterlife for what i am doing here. I do what i do out of the desire to see others saved from the eternal lake of fire.
If you love winning and pride and vanity they are your weaknesses because they block you from gaining anything from a discussion. They cause you to have a closed mind to what ever the other person is saying.
No. Religion teaches nothing like that. It's not about how many good or bad deeds you do. It's about what is in your heart and if you are at least trying to live a Godly life.
No one has the right to tell you where you are going.
Yeah those people are stupid and not even religion can help them lol
depends on your idea about those places...
anyone that claims to know the thoughts of god is either delusional or evil ignore them <br />
always remember that all god asks is that u love mercy and do justly thats it no more no less
Depends on what religion you are referring to. If you take time to read, you wouldn't be confused.
religion and morales are two separate things. just depends which is more important to you. do you give the homeless guy outside your church $10 and a blanket, or do you put $100 in the basket?
you just answered your own question in your last sentence.
If heaven and hell really do exist, I believe they are one in the same.
Every one experiences things differently. One person could experience something and feel good about it, while another might not. I don't believe that there are pearly white gates up in the clouds in heaven, and fire and brimstone in hell. If you look at the world we live in, it is heaven and hell at the same time.