it's infinite and constantly expanding, we will never know about the edge

Actually, an infinite universe does not expand. You need to expand the number of dimensions in your frame of observation to understand it.

i meant the whole mass with the galaxies and stars are expanding in the void, in the black mass

I was talking about the universe which I define as the set of everything.

i understand, the whole concept is too complicated and abstract to understand

I understand your concept. Do you understand the amount of energy that is? Do you understand that time is only another spacial dimension to a super observer?

i do and that makes my head explode

Then why do you think an infinite universe expands? Only a finite universe can expand. An infinite universe has no bounds to expand upon. I think you are misunderstanding something.

how do you imagine something as big in an indefinite location to be finite? of course i may not understand everything, i'm not a science major.

Well, actually, we cannot imagine infinite. That's how I discovered our minds are all finite. Once I had that down, it wasn't difficult to discover an infinite thing does not expand. Expansion requires space-time and finite energy. In an infinite universe, all times exist.

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Both, the universe keeps expanding, but resources could be finite, because if the consumption rate is higher than the universe can expand, it's finite. Although it might never deplete because the universe renews it, but as long as it runs out it's finite.

In the superset of the universe, you cannot have both. The super ray doesn't exist. It's a line or segment if we put it all into one dimension. No ray.

In a way it's both, the resources will never deplete so that makes it infinite, yet if beings consume it faster than it is being produced in a way it is finite, yet infinite.

There is no consumption of energy. Energy merely changes state. If energy is magically disappearing, the universe is probably finite and will end.

I meant natural resources, energy is infinite, unless beings somehow find a way to harvest that and consume it so rapidly that the universe can't produce energy quick enough.

Natural resources are minor. The sun will consume them in 4 to 12 billion years.

Yes, thus they are finite. Yet the universe is infinite.

Just because something changed doesn't make it finite. It's still around, just not in the form you wanted it to be in.

Not entirely true, do you know that scientifically, when humans create energy like ie electricity, you always get less than you put in.

Electricity is not created. The "lose" you are citing does not disappear either. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Furthermore, we know that mass turns to light from nuclear explosion and light turns to mass from black holes collecting it. Electricity is just another change and it involves heat and mass. I'm well aware of thermodynamics and how energy storage works.

Ah ok, then my science teacher was even dumber than I thought hahaha, good to know though.

Your teacher either did not know or failed to communicate the conservation of energy.

Probably both lol.

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It's so big that to me, it doesn't matter which it is.

Respect Indifference!

Ironically, it does matter. If you guess wrong, your strategy will have bad results.

Finite.

infinite

An admirable guess. Might I inquire why you guessed that?

I think it is generally understood that it is expanding and therefore has an edge, so it must be finite. I suspect when it runs out of energy it will contract and start all over. Like heart beating.<br />
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A better question might be is the space the universe is expanding into finite or infinite? I think infinite might the answer to that one.

If it starts all over does it have a beginning or end? Isn't that infinite?

It wouldn't be the same universe, it would be a new universe in the same space.

I define the universe as the set of everything. I would guess this might change your answer?

I don't know what that means, "the set of everything".

It means the set of all things. If there is a space, a time, an energy particle, another dimension past our own, everything.

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I believe it's finite..but what does a fish know about the land?

It's a fair guess.

As infinite as my ever expanding mind. ;)

Your mind is finite. I find your answer confusing. Did you mean to answer finite and make fun of infinite or did you simply fall into the Nihilist trap? I'm being rough to see just how flexible an expanding mind is. It isn't personal. Well, maybe just a little. ;)

LoneAlpha: haha ;}

My thought processes are like super novas annihilating Mitochondria in the ever expanding void that is my mind. The planets are my synapses. The dark energy of folding time is the reason.

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My guess is the local galaxies are being pulled apart by densities outside our field of view. Your mind is no void. Void only exists if the universe is finite.

I said ever expaning void which is the space between celestial bodies.

Space between celestial bodies is not a void. It's space. A void is dimensionless and can only exist with a finite universe.

I see your point and my counter point is nana nana boo boo. :p

I disproved Nihilism about 5 years ago. It taught me perception is a subset, not the superset. I had an unfair advantage. I have control of my dreams. Nihilism is actually an excellent philosophy for dreams. It's pathetic for reality but most practitioners are too arrogant to see the truth.