I'd argue the opposite. Traditionally Americans WERE individualistic. The past couple decades have eroded that to the point where we aren't even the targets of advertising anymore. (We're the products)
i kind of agree.. but I also think being individual and loving your own uniqueness is a great thing. we just need to have balance between, being ourselves AND recognizing that we are all together in this. Recognizing your wholeness as a PART in this gigantic system of life, while also recognizing the wholeness of the WHOLE. Everything is interdependent.
Only when individualism is confused with greed just as you have just done.
If you are so wise why do fail to understand it is greed ripping the U.S. apart?
Maybe for you the word greed is too politically tainted. It more comes down to this: Most people in the U.S. (as witnessed by the number of lottery tickets sold) want to have money just given to them instead of putting value into the economy and meeting social responsibility. They want 20 cars in their garage and could care less if other people have one working one just to get to work.
In my mind, individualism is merely the concept that a person is valuable and important. Greed is in fact against individualism in the way I define it because a greedy person only worries about their own experience and does not consider how their actions affect others (a violation of saying the individual is important by not considering any individuals but themselves).
I think we are having a definition crisis that is preventing us from having a common language to discuss the root problem.
You will notice that absurdly rich people get treated nicely. One example is ****** gives Arnold free vehicles. He's the last one that needs them for free but because of his fame, he gets charity. Not all people can be the person at the top but the person at the top is a function of what most people want. If people wanted respect for something other than self indulgence, the self indulgent would not lead us.
What we claim to be good behavior we do not respect. Fact is, bad behavior is a much better short term strategy than good behavior. Good behavior only pays off in an infinite universe. In a finite universe, bad behavior can "get away with" taking more than it gives.
Yes, I agree evil is one of the worst strategies you could possess in an infinite universe. Unfortunately, there is no way to discover how horrid a choice it is until you deal with things after you die. Most people think death is the end and therefore reject the idea they have more to deal with after death. I find that mathematically foolish to bet on, but I can see where people would make that error.
Karma doesn't work. JP Morgan and others led very self indulged lives despite their disdain for humanity. The long term effects of people like the Kings of England or France are not felt until later in the course of humanity after the wrong doers are long dead. It's more about having to deal with the mess when you face your next life. The probability of now is 100% (1 for the math types out there) if the universe is infinite. Now is very unlikely in a finite universe.
We agreed on the subject after clearing up word definitions to my understanding. Also, I agree things like Karma and justice can exist in infinite universe context. The problem is they don't exist in finite universe context and most people bank on finite universe strategy.
I can't see how "live and let live", the credo of individualism, could make people any more hateful, judgmental and discriminating than Christianity (or any other theocracy) could---and often has.
As is oft the case, well said.
I stopped reading at Luciferians.
90% chance he doesn't know what Luciferians are, or why they would never put "In God We Trust" on money.
it is a bit of an oxymoron. lol
No, Not at all--I can't disagree strongly enough.<br />
It is the sheep mentality, and all the people that will only 'do as they're told' that ruined America.<br />
America was built on Individuals, and thinkers. Not sheep.......
Since it was YOU who asked this Q, I am surprised and confused that you agree with me!
But, ok, thanks; glad we agree now (somehow?!)
Isn't youneeda's disagreement the thing that he's saying? You can't agree with one and not the other. Odd semantics.
Got it ! Have fun.
that''s what I thought, extraC....! hence my confusion.Thanks. Let's drop it......
Moderation is essential. Personal morality and life goals can;t be determined by anyone else, but at the same time, people have to be aware that they're held accountable by others.
While I see it, there SHOULD be a balance between individualism and compliance.<br />
It is the blending of these traits that create a society, and without individualism you no longer have a society as there is no need to interact with others socially because everyone is only producing what is needed for the community. There is nothing beyond that as everyone would be "the same".
Everything is cyclic and without those cycles there is no comparison. > > Many say that we are causing Global Warming, yet, they are discovering that a slight warming occurs just prior to an Ice Age. So, is it really Global Warming? Just a rhetorical question.
well. . . that's a pretty complex question for this forum. It's true that too much individualism leads to social fragmentation. But I couldn't live in a society where individualism wasn't possible. Moderation is the key
I'm not sure I agree. I think it's more a combination of a kind of existentialism (I need to be actualised), and materialism (the lure of the next fix that I can purchase to ward off the emptiness).
too much induced narcissism is unhealthy and gadgety ways of us makes us more lonely than ever before
If individualism is so bad, and if I'm gay, then I'm going to be subscribed to a lifetime of hate by people who DON'T believe in "individualism." Would that be alright by you?
Ia gree it's SO messed up...if we want it to change we have to work together to deal with it AND we have to get rid of the Narcissists!
Individualism is hurting every one . Not just Americans. All around the world are infected by this disease. The sickness of the society is in your face when a 10 year old kid talks back to the parents in an offending way. Sadly that's the society we are in now.
Yeah I know . You guys are more f**ked up than rest of the world.