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Suba Suba 22-25, F 10 Answers May 19, 2012

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I don't get that concept from any religion that I've known.

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hmm that's sad.

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Every religion does not teach that. Not even all the Abrahmic religions teach that.

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well i can't say i've researched all religions. because i haven't but most do.

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This just a small fraction of the teachings of one of the Abrahmic religions.........When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned
Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron
Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise
Quran (56:92-94) - But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, then the welcome will be boiling water and roasting at hell-fire
As to what regard Muslims are to show for those who don't believe, the Quran says to be ruthless toward them, since they are going to Hell anyway:
Quran (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination
Quran (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.
Quran (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve
Quran (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
Quran (4:52) - Those (Christians) are they whom Allah hath cursed...

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haha very easy to pick and choose quotes from the Quran, to misinterpret it, well done :) you do realise the Quran here is referring to the people who were torturing and killing the first Muslims, persecuting them and not allowing them to believe in the One God. the hypocrites - referred to certain people who were pretending to be one of the Muslims but were plotting against them the whole time. hence the advice to be 'stern' with them because the Muslims uptill then were victims of slaughter and discrimination. they were thrown out of their homes. 'perverse' because God doesn't have children. God is our creater not our Father. if you want to research properly rather than nitpicking such quotes to spread even more division and hatred, i suggest you do your research properly :) and also find out what was said and what time and what were Muslims going through at the time :) Also research how the nonmuslims treated the Muslim prisoners and vice versa.

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If you take all the scriptures it doesn't imply that this was all defensive. Islam took the offensive in 630 BC and plundered and conquered weaker caravans, tribes, and nations for 400 years, as far as southern Europe until in 1094 the crusades began.

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I will admit that I have inadvertently hijacked this thread, and for that I apologize, although ,in doing so I have affirmed the questioners contention of our tendency to concentrate on our differences.

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you've just admitted it, so i urge you to do your own research look at the period of time when this happened look at the way people used to live before and then after. Islam didn't exist 630 BC perhaps you meant AD. however you should have googled how religion, and in this case Islam as thats the one you went for, how Islam promotes unity, love and acceptance within society. its very easy to pick out and use things we don't understand fully as support, but you should be careful, ignorance is not an excuse, if you don't know something, don't talk about it as though you do...

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whoops AD....

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My contention with Islam is the social condition of the countries under Islamic rule, the riots, the death contracts, the misogyny, Where the world is predominantly Islam it certainly doesn't look like unity love and acceptance to me.

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yh but like i said, men are flawed, and they take what they want from the text and twist it. but remember those countries are going through a revolution at this time, and don't believe everything you see in the media :) but then again most communities go through such events at some moment in time if we just look at history and take stock of every countries struggle against dictators, corruption etc, Britain itself was full of pirates that stole from other countries. America, well they got rid of the natives and took over the land didn't they. misogymy exists, i have no idea why since Islam was the first religion that gave equal rights to both men and women, but unfortunately we live in a patriarchal society where women are mistreated and are subjected to sexist remarks in every corner of the world. except perhaps Indonesia, very peaceful there.

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how about this one? because it isnt applicable in real life.

Walking into a friendship with that kind of thinking is GREAT and allows you to oversee all kinds of flags that tell you who that person REALLY is. WHILE you are focused on all your great similarities and trying to see THEM for the best version they want to be, they are busy emptying your bank accounts, cutting you down in public, humiliating you with their actions, and you are all glossy eyed optimistic that your similarities will override.

at some point you zip it all up and go home.

and try to figure out where you went wrong to be used so badly.

i think its self protection that keeps us in our corners. i think, it has to be that way because there ARE REALLY GODLESS PEOPLE out there, and you have to be aware they have NO morals or concience....and protect yourself.

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we don't need teachings we know already in our soul- humans are 99.9 % the same only a fraction of 0.1% divide us in character and that is the real problem when it comes to non- acceptance and not focusing on what unites us

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we're too lazy and it is too much of a hassle to do something about our selfishness. atheism included.

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Fear. If you look at one you have judged "evil" and/or worthy of going to hell, how could you dare look for similarities?

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It is true, if one reads the books from each religion, you find there is a thread of similarity. All of them stress loving one another. I think if we look at how people act on a daily basis, mostly they are pretty good to one another. Lots of random acts of kindness going on from people of all faiths and also some pretty loving atheists as well.

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