Its going to work and its going to be a good thing no matter how many idiots try to sabotage it.
That is true, I even heard that even those who oppose it say its too late for the opposition to stop it.
I think it is too late for the opponents to stop it.
It is law and supreme court upheld challenges. Not sure if they had pres., senate house they could stop it or not. Because of GOP food fight and changing demographics their losing presidency again unless we run old uncle joe
That what scares them. They know if it becomes popular the right will be out of power for a generation
And here I was under the impression that you could think rationally!
Name ONE thing that Politicians and the Government have gotten into that has ever worked better than the civilian equivalent, has worked right, has cost as originally projected, didn't take for ever, didn't get expanded into an unmanageable mess and wasn't designed as a vote getting tool.
I think it's a step in the right direction, but it remains to be seen if it will actually drive down the costs of medical procedures and drugs. I think going to a single-payer system is probably what we should have done, but that's not going to happen in this country any time soon.
give peace a chance and it will all work out, the old system was broke already (Bill Clinton said so),,my Dad taught me if something is already broke what can you hurt to try and fix it ?so we have fixed a lot of things others would have put in the trash ,,,,with the right person this can be fixed too
Give it a chance. social security started same way with conservatives calling everyone a commie. Medicare? same thing. Mine was a wash, 50 bucks more for slightly better coverage. Use my same doctors etc. Then again our governor worked with them. Your state fighting it tooth and nail? Blame your governor not Obama
Actually the welfare state as such is and invention of conservatives just so you'd know.
they sure don't like it now and really think that term is right wing code for people they don't think vote for them.
Welfarestate a right wing code? What are you blabbering about, lol? And they're prefectly fine with it now as well. America is just a whole nother matter. But from European conservatives the whole notion comes from.
Define "Welfare State" as I have no idea what it really is. just a right wing buzzword to me
It's not a buzzword, lol. Wikipedia: "A welfare state is a concept of government in which the state plays a key role in the protection and promotion of the economic and social well-being of its citizens. It is based on the principles of equality of opportunity, equitable distribution of wealth, and public responsibility for those unable to avail themselves of the minimal provisions for a good life. The general term may cover a variety of forms of economic and social organization. The sociologist T.H. Marshall identified the welfare state as a distinctive combination of democracy, welfare, and capitalism. Scholars have paid special attention to the historic paths by which Germany, Britain and other countries developed their welfare state.
Modern welfare states include the Nordic countries, such as Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland which employ a system known as the Nordic model. The welfare state involves a transfer of funds from the state, to the services provided (i.e. healthcare, education) as well as directly to individuals ("benefits"). Esping-Andersen classified the most developed welfare state systems into three categories; Social Democratic, Conservative, and Liberal.
The welfare state is funded through redistributionist taxation and is often referred to as a type of "mixed economy". Such taxation usually includes a larger income tax for people with higher incomes, called a progressive tax. This helps to reduce the income gap between the rich and poor." There are different types of welfare states.
Thanks but that doesn't describe us. We are a hybrid system of capitalism and socialism, have been since early 20th century. Pure capitalism would have absolutely no social safety nets. you laying in the street starving? f you starving dude. I don't know about you but a pure capitalistic society would be barbaric
The US is usually considered a liberal wellfare state. Altough it probably is more of an expensive hybrid of different systems.
It's about time that health insurance was made available in the US for all, not just the healthy.
The Obamacare doesn't seem to be going very well. The government spent a boatload of American tax dollars on a website where people can sign up for Obamacare, only the website wasn't working properly & people couldn't sign up, which created confusion. Now I'm hearing that many employers want to cut workers from full time to part time so as not to have to provide health insurance, because the workers can just sign up for Obamacare instead.
Owners of Fortune 500 companies are some of the cheapest people around. How do you think they got so rich in the first place? Anyway, just because the government will give you health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to work fewer hours & make less money...I mean, you still have the same household expenses, right?
I never lived in Canada
So my response may be unique but I personally think it is a doomed to fail policy.
Background information about me:
22 Year old male - no major health issues and healthy.
If I did not have health insurance from my employment right now then here is the reasons Obamacare would suck. ( My opinions of course. )
1. At 22 years old healthy I would be required by law to pay something to the tune of $275 every month.
2. At that minimum policy of $275 a month my deductible for anything major can be up to $5,000 annually and then the insurance would kick in to pay 90% of the remaining balance where the last 10% I would need to foot the bill.
3. If you DO NOT have health insurance even if jobless the Internal Revenue Services ( IRS ) can and will charge you something like $95 dollars the first year of being uncovered the next year it can be something to the tune of $500.
( For exact policy review source below. )
4. If I had children / married and had to pay for myself Obamacare could certainly be more than $275 a month and would begin to be at the tune of 500+ if not more...
Ways to make it better for Americans ( Middle Class )
1. Instead of forcing us to pay from our spendable income, this medical charge should be automatically taxed prior to taxes to be used a government service ( Like Police Officers / Fire Fighters etc... )
2. If the taxes were increased we would see a drop in our spendable income levels but then it would truly be a universal health care policy to where we all pitch in a little bit automatically to pay the doctors / service charges etc etc.
That is just my two cents but I'd love to hear your thought ChillyWilly82
Oh yes and the SOURCE
Even though we are against increase in taxes, this would be a wonderful program that I would pay more in taxes to have as a universal medical service to all citizens of our country.
Yes, it will be paying more, but how many children and people have died from preventable illnesses that could have been treated earlier on but they could not pay the bill for insurance or un covered insurance?
How many people have become bankrupt from uncovered medical bills?
Our system right is designed to break us and it will not work in the long run until a charge is created.
That's an interesting and reasonable proposal. I commend you for putting some thought into an alternative instead of just foaming at the mouth over socialism and stewing over what has already come to pass.
Food for thought, thank you for a very much for the well thought post. I really do appreciate it. My honest opinion? Your getting hosed and understand why you are pissed. You single, healthy guys are going to take it the shorts. It's not fair but don't know what to tell you. I can see why you feel you are paying more then your share. truly sorry for earlier snark. I agree it is not fair for people like you. Sorry dude but it has been a pleasure talking and I know more now after talking to you. I wish everyone could debate like you. Good luck, you won this one :)
Once it is fully implemented and people find out that having health insurance with rules doesn't suck it will be popular. Republicans hated Social Security when it came out and have always hated it. Same with Medicare. Maybe in a generation or two the US can join the industrialized world with a single payer system.
Hot garbage...thats my thoughts on it. And he can shove it.
Adding...anything coming from a lying backwards turkey has got to be no good.
such anger, must suck to be you
they have baseless hate for the president and a unhealthy dose of paranoia
Perfect example...Obama proclaimed to be a christian when he became president. Thats his first lie because no way on earth he could have lived up to it in that devil rank that he stands in. What true christian would sign off on abortion? gay marriage? High five with Jay-z a satanic hellian? To name a few
It'll be just fine.
It's stupid and idiotic
Nope... All I know is both my mom and dad say its stupid and idiotic so I know it's stupid and idiotic... They don't explain why though:/
ever think mom and dad could the ones who are
sorry if I traumatized you :)
That's why we think you guys suck. thank you for your wonderful addition to the conversation while he crosses fingers
And what part of 'if you like your health care coverage you can keep it' was he telling the truth about? You like paying $469/month for lousy coverage? You're certainly welcome to your opinion just as I am to mine. It's going to fail. Even obama doesn't call it obamacare anymore.
You guys came up with Obamacare, I'm a contractor so I was buying mine anyway before. Old policy was like 427 per and 3000 deductible so this is basically the same. Obama did say some dumb things. I still don't think the guy has bad intentions, I think he believed at the time he said it what he said was true.
Had a great conversation this thread with 21 year old single guy. He had facts and links on his side and I agree for a person like him it sucks, he kicked my butt and I admitted it. When I hear all this President is a commie, muslim, gay etc. etc. I am done respecting that persons opinion, on these discussions that is usually everybody. I respect that you didn't go there and had valid questions, thank you.
As you said everyone can have their own opinion but we'll have to disagree on this one. I don't know how this will eventually work but I;m willing to wait 2 or 3 years before I make that call. For now it is law and decided by Sup Court so best to try to improve it then be like Cruz. Have a good day
He knew when he was saying it that he was lying. He's lied about so many things he cannot be trusted. I don't believe he loves this country.
Totally disagree but you have your right to your opinion. If you are the he's a commie, gay, muslim, murder guy you still have the right to your opinion as I have not to respect yours any longer and just blow you off. That is why America is great. Have a nice day
Oh please. How can you respect someone who's lied, like him, to millions and millions of people? I can't respect someone who spews sycophantic talking points put out by this president and his libtard media.
I still haven't made up my mind. I'll get back to you.
reasonable, more people should
i love these comedy posts
them right wingers that had no facts but just insults were sort of comical in a pathetic must suck to be you sort of way
nice try at an insult, larry.. examine the whole obamacare package with a open mind and you will come to the conclusion that it was ill concieved. i have no loyalty to any party.
I have reached the conclusion that it was just rolled out and am waiting at least a couple of years to judge. My expirience was fine, web site sucked but managed to sign up mid december. 469/month for 1300 deductible and didn't qualify for any tax breaks because my income was too high. did you try to sign up?
SOCIALISM mass marketed with lies! It is nearly worthless, wasteful, and loaded with more rules, regulations, fees, fines and Communism!
LOL you lost? Brietbart way right of here You guts been yelling communism since FDR
Quick! Look behind you! Is that a commie up in that tree?
Enjoy your rationing and troops on every corner to keep the peace ....
And you guys have been holding you greedyassed hand out since then too!!!
Give you free stuff at the expense of the people who actually work, produce and create jobs.
What happens when we all quit and go on the dole? Government run EVERYTHING!
Sound familiar? It's Communism!
I must of missed the boat on free stuff because I have got none. as I said earlier when someone starts talking communism or other right wing buzz words you still have the right to your opinion as I do to think your just another right wing nut and blow off everything you say after that. Right now, that be you
Have a nice day
Not well thought out.
They tried to roll it out too soon because GOP was doing it's best to kill it but you do still have a very valid point
When you do a rush job it always ends up sloppy.
I hope it's designed to fail. Why should we pay a middle man for doing nothing (private insurance company) for doing nothing than following the law? Seems to me, a single payer system works for the majority of us while a "pay" system works for those who can afford personality as part of heath care. I don't want pain or death..... It's all I ask.
they would of got single payer if the could of, no matter how much they bad mouth the Canadian system I know some people up there and they can't believe how much ours sucks
2 trillion dollar joke or one sixth of of our gnp for the year why oh why didnt we go single payer and be done with it there was no sense in kissing the insurance companies *****
Republicans blocked it