iroquois? mohawk? cheyenne?
Wow that more than makes up for that other stuff.
"Even a broken clock is right, twice daily."
Nope, any country where the people would allow some nondescript from a neighbouring land to lead them into worldwide murder (20,946,000), can't get a bad enough rap. They get to wear this stain forever.
The survivors of the camps hardly count themselves as victorious.
Perhaps we're talking about different camps ? I'm speaking of the camps where they killed and burned people. There are a few survivors who witnessed these things, moreover, there are U.S. and British soldiers who also saw the aftermath of the camps. And there are plenty of photographs, because the Nazis were very proud of such an "efficient" way of being rid of what they considered the undesirable elements in their society. These things are a matter of record.
But the point is, people died. Men, women and children were taken from their homes, put in these camps, some were gassed, and there are live witnesses to it. They can't ALL be lying. And like I said, the Germans themselves documented much of it. The exact number is moot. A professor told me when she was a teenager in Poland, about having seen the Nazis line up some Jewish people from her village, make them *****, and shoot them all dead. Then the townspeople rushed to pick through their clothes.
So "everyone's doing it" ? I was waiting for that excuse to come up. It doesn't absolve the Nazis, not one bit. That just means they were among many evils in this world. It makes them no less evil.
It was way more than that, even though that would be enough, in my mind, and the fact that they were targeting specific ethnicities, not only Jews but Slavs and Gypsys, and advancing their "Final Solution" as genocide makes them more than deserve any condemnation. It's hard to find information now that's not blogs by apologists trying to sanitise the Holocaust by saying survivors didn't experience what they experienced, people didn't witness what they witnessed and yet, relatives are gone. These figures make more sense: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2473
Still doesn't absolve them of what they managed to do.
I've spoken to several survivors. Quite a few had settled in California. I've heard their stories and have seen a few numbers tattooed on people's arms. I've had no reason not to believe them, and I've seen enough evil firsthand to know people are capable of pretty much anything.
Well, gee, that's all right, then. Some people died with untattooed bodies.
It would only be relevant if no one had been murdered during the Holocaust. The bottom line is, the Nazis murdered people for no other reason than ethnicity and their desire to "cleanse" their society, and ultimately the world, of so-called "non-Aryans". That this was their intent is a matter of record. Are you really so insensitive as to say they should be given a break because they actually didn't wipe out all of them ? A smaller number makes the deaths okay ?
I get that the Jewish people were made scapegoats, but it doesn't justify the murder of men, women and children who weren't even alive during WWI. And it doesn't explain the reason other ethnic groups, Gypsies and Slavs also died in those camps. There's no way to justify it.
Germany you say? In fact it was during this period that they thought smoking was a health concern, long before the allies did
I guess they weren't so bad after all.
Well I know it wasn't France, the dirty bastards.