i can't say if its possible for housing but healthcare and education are a must.. especially education and there are countries which have made much progress by implementing this.. look at the scandinavian side

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some countries actually spend more on education than on bombing innocents abroad pretending to fight for freedom while in reality it's for oil and the retard population buys into that ****

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And the Scandinavian countries depended on the US to free them from Hitler.

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what's in the past is in the past.. and Hitler's Germany never had Sweden..

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Honestly, some of you Americans should get a grip and read some history. The US didn't liberate any of scandinavia, they weren't there.The Russians, Norwegians and British freed Norway. Sweden was neutral. USSR had their own war with Finland. Denmark was freed by the surrender of Germany. The USSR by far had the biggest impact on turning the war - nine times more German casualties against Soviets than in the western front against Brits/US. The Germans were on the run already by D-Day, and their fuel supplies had been effectively cut.

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it is in civilized countries. it's an human right.

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What country are you from, poet?

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They should be. Sadly too many disagree.

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gee wonder why they disagree

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not in civilized countries no one does.

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@unknownpoetx Most countries have single payer healthcare, fully funded and in places like Germany the state pays for Vocational and classical college. And they get better results for less money. Utah housed its entire homeless population practically and is now spending LESS money...Obviously it works.

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ggood point on Utah

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Nothing is free. The money comes from somewhere. It is possible to have a single-payer healthcare system and a free to student university system. However housing is more difficult. Government housing is seldom decent.

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Yes, I must admit the problem with free housing is that it becomes the job of a bureaucracy to create it, and that inevitably means inadequate budgets, lack of individuality and personality in the designs, lousy architecture, often poor construction... Can't think of a single example where governments have got this right. The world's worst architecture.

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just suppose for a second there is a different socialist society and hosing is free and decent.........................strange isn't it....................it IS possible...........I'm not pessimistic.............I believe it is possible.

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It is not possible. Tragedy of the Commons.

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It is totally possible

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Yet so improbable it is not likely to happen.

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Who is going to pay for it ? Not meeeee !!!!

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I agree. Or more importantly they should be a right.

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So, where is the money supposed to come from?

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where do you think?

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That is not an answer.

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Taxes. I have no problem with that. It helps people. Why do you have an issue with it?

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How much a year do you pay in taxes?

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Just what workers need, more taxes. Public school is free, Housing is something up to each individual, Health care is a billion dollar business, and not about to be regulated by the government.

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Government

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Well they will be be TAXED to eternity under Capitalism...........socialist society will be different!

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"How much a year do you pay in taxes?" Who gives a ****? When I make money I pay taxes on it, when I buy something in Massachusetts, I pay sales tax. When I register my car, buy gas, eat at a restaurant or rent a motel room I pay taxes, don't change the subject.

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GREAT point GnatFree...........the working class are getting taxed so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now...........in Australia the new Turnbull admin want to add 50% to the already 10% gst..........and ppl are not smart enough to realize they have ALREADY PAID tax. This is just one reason we need a new Socialist society. PPL are already spending 100+ % their wages, if they are lucky enough to work, yet the rich SAVE money, something has to change soon.

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definitely education and health care needs serious revamping...

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yes.........everything needs revamping if you ask me

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You're serious? That is crazy!

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I'm serious! Why not. It would be a GOOD thing. Isn't that weird and strange?? lol. People can't even IMAGINE a good thing anymore, they are so used to crappy capitalism lol. I am totally Optimistic that this is Possible by the way...but NOT under Capitalism, obviously.

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I know you're a good person, and I hope I don't sound patronizing or condescending, but how can you be so Marxist when you can see what a dismal failure Marxism is?. Can't you see that Socialism is the womb of mediocrity? You take away competition, you ruin quality and production rate. Doctors spent eight years in college because they want to be wealthy and live comfortably. It might be slightly altruistic, but it's mostly materialist. If doctors receive mediocre tax provided income, you're going to get mediocre tax provided service. Why do suppose people come from all over the world to get medical care in the US? (..well they used to anyway..) I'm just going to accept the fact that you are more collectivist and I am more individualist. I can't even say, "You're wrong.". We just have two different perspectives. I know I'm not going to change how you feel, I'm not even that sure I would want to. If it wasn't for socialists, I wouldn't have the opportunity to argue nearly as much, and that would drive me crazy! : )
"Socialism is the womb of mediocrity" That sounds like something someone of historical significance would say, but it's all mine!! I like your posts even if I disagree with them, and I respect you and believe you have the courage of your convictions.

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Marxism isn't a failure.....it is scientific socialism, which means Marx came to the conclusion that Capitalist society is based on the goods produced, that means the production process creates classes one the capitalist and the other the working class, one exploits the other. That in itself is a theory and has not failed, as it is a theory. Marx studied capitalism and came to the conclusion that exploitation takes place when the worker gets paid, basically because the capitalist is always accumulating wealth from surplus wage labor, perhaps you know all that already.


Obviously I study this and hang around with socialists, some have been so for 40 years so they also have the courage of their convictions. I feel absolutely honoured to know such forward thinking people, and I feel I am spending my time doing something useful to society, ie, educating the working class, just like myself am being educated. The only way to make a change is to make a change and I don't see any other way to do that than to question what creates so much inequality in society and how to improve that situation.

"Socialism is the womb of mediocrity" LOL, sorry have to laugh. I think Capitalism is. People have a lot to offer, take away the profit motive and society could blossom and progress. There is nothing wrong with wanting a better society with more equality, my own party believe in fighting AGAINST war and militarism and FOR social EQUALITY, and THAT cannot be a bad thing.

Anyway....glad we can have these discussions. Of course we can agree to disagree.

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I agree that basic education, healthcare and housing (including a roof and a vegetable garden so that everybody could get their food), and facilities like electric power or water should be a basic right. The public sector (we could discuss if it is the government or local authorities should provide it).

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Housing, yeah it would make sense to have it free.
Healthcare, it should be available to all but not free.
Education is free. Specialization is not.

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Problem with the US is that there are english and math requirements in college no matter what major you are going into because the secondary schooling is a failure.

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Son should air at a gas station.'but that ain't ever gonna happen again

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Who pays for your free education? Someone has to.

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society pays

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In other words I should pay for your healthcare & education? Why???

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shut up

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No, we all pay for health care and education, because that ensures a level playing field. You can't think the USA's zipcode-zoned education system is fair or effective? It disadvantages children who are not to blame for their parent's poverty.

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Nothing is free. Somebody is paying the bill.

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cause.......capitalism........I'm talking about Socialist society in which human needs come before profit.

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And the guy who is lazy at work makes the same as the guy that busts his rear?

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Has socialism ever worked? Anywhere?

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That's exactly what happens, 53nc.

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the one after Socialist Revolution

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How is that even possible? Doctors, nurses, radiologists, anesthetists, teachers, etc won't work for free.
Please explain how.

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if you don't understand how a country can be managed then you must have had a really ****** education

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Then explain it.

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They don't work for free......they get paid by government.

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From taxes, right?

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Yep.......or in Communist society money becomes valueless

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You've GOT to be at least 80, meteorite. No one can possibly get as stupid as you are in just 36-40 years.

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Agreed. Now we just gotta convince the people above.

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which people?

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The ones who charge you for those 3 things =P

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We NEED to get rid of THEM!!!!!!!!

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Not precisely get rid of them, for the job has to be done. We need, however, education. Right?

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International Working Class unite overthrow all governments.......which yes, will need an educated Revolutionary cadre for that task.

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Oh, the conservatives and those on the far right will crucify you now! lol

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Yeah let's the Chinese pay for it ;)

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In China too.

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Nah Chinese can pay for it... We're entitled to their money

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