I don't think either one will end up being the nominee. Joe is a drunken loud mouthed fool who's time has passed. As to Hillary, aside from the fact that she already looks tired and haggard, add to that the truth about Bengazi enventually coming out and I think her time, too, has passed. The Democratic nominee will likely be a relatively fresh face on the scene.
Hillary begins by April to put together an organization. <br />
Biden will open up about it in 2014.
Joe has no intention of that. Hillary, if she wants it, would win in a landslide. She would carry states that Obama can't. Even Rupert Murdoch supported her Senate runs.
Good thing I live near Canada. Short drive to escape.