Lucifer was cast out of heaven before Adam was created. Or at least, before the Original Sin.
God created angels too and many references of angels compared to stars i truly believe without a doubt that the creation of the stars is twofold with the angels being created and that was in the fourth day, that is why God calls his angels to rejoice with him in creation but as Spiritofhterabbit says in Luke 10 God declares I saw satan fall from grace/heaven
in Gods time it was 6 to 7 thousand years later from the time of creation 2 to 3 thousand years later of his creation
In our time perspective satan fell 6 to 7 days ( I lean toward 7 for God said everything is good after creation of everything) 2 to 3 days after God created him ( once again I lean toward 3rd day). In Isaiah 14 and then Ezekiel 28 explains the reason for the falling
remember satan did not fall it was lucipher the fell which in turn transforms him to satan.
After, I believe. <br />
Jesus talks about seeing Satan fall from Heaven in the book of Luke, and it is mentioned again in Revelation.
A social site is not the best place to get your answer because you cannot use it as a reliable reference source.<br />
Go back to Genesis itself, and keep rereading until you find your answer.<br />
If you wish to research even further, in archaeology and the very first original OT sc<x>ripts in Aramaic, you will discover that Satan was not written into the Bible until the time of King David. He was adopted on the model of Ahriman from the Zoroastrians, to explain the problem of evil, and then retrospectively Genesis was rewritten to include Satan as the "cause" of Eve's and Adam's Fall. The more research you do, the more evidence you will find... but you must get the sources of information in order to authenticate it... proof is in the origins of the the documentation.
5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Ask God and you shall recieve, Knock on Gods door and God shall open door, Seek for Gods Wisdom in the manner And God wil provide your need but Matthew633 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Let scripture guide you to all truth Hakudoshi not fallible man I will send you a scripture by scripture guide to interpreting scripture. totally agree Hartfire! O:-)
Heres the guide I spoke of<br />
sc<x>riptural Foundation For Biblical Interpretation<br />
Imagine how thousands possibly even millions get railroaded by false prophets (He who interprets without the burden of sc<x>riptural proof texting adding own earthly interpretation of Holy sc<x>ripture) . <br />
All because they don't do their own research, but listen to what other people say.<br />
Regaurdless what Tertullian or what Clemet of Alexandria said or what other people in history say or said, or what publications and brochures read. <br />
Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. <br />
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. <br />
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. <br />
2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. <br />
Not what I think<br />
or what other people think!<br />
Not my opinion or<br />
other peoples opinion!<br />
Galations 4:30a NEVERTHELESS, WHAT SAITH THE sc<x>riptURE...<br />
Isaiah 55:8 For MY thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY ways, saith YHWH. <br />
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are MY ways higher than your ways, and MY thoughts than your thoughts.<br />
Not what I interpret!<br />
or what other people interpret!<br />
sc<x>riptURE INTERPRETS sc<x>riptURE<br />
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the sc<x>ripture is of any private interpretation.<br />
Not The Philosophy Or Psychology Of This World!<br />
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. <br />
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. <br />
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. <br />
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. <br />
15 This (earthly), wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. <br />
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. <br />
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. <br />
1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, I came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. <br />
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. <br />
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. <br />
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but
here's the rest of it
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
What is Philosophy?
1. doctrine (teaching): a belief (or system of beliefs), accepted as authoritative by some group or school
2. the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
3. any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"
It must be the Whole Counsel of the Lord!
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL the counsel of God.
Galations 4:30a NEVERTHELESS, WHAT SAITH THE scriptURE...
But What GOD ALMIGHTY REVEALS through His WORD!
scriptURE INTERPRETS scriptURE
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith,...
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
We must test/prove All things!
1 Thessalonians 5: 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. :22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
another witness within scripture is:
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Read Revelations thoroughly and you'll find the devil, Beast, Lucifer or whoever is dead. John, who wrote Revelations years after the fictional Jesus was gone, wrote this line which tells you all you need to know :<br />
"The number of the Beast if the number of a MAN and that MAN'S number is 666".<br />
He's telling you there never was a Beast/devil etc. It was a man, most commonly interpreted as NERO. But it matters not does it? Being a man he is long dead. No Lucifer, no Genesis, no God, No Bible, no more delusion. Get used to it.<br />
The Bible was compiled in about 300 AD by yet another Roman Emperor, Constasntine. He got his "scholars" to gather bits from every splinter group and weave it into a believable story, for 2000 year old minds. And that's what they did. They took a little of sect A so they felt part of it, a litlle of sect B so they were included and so on. He then appointed himself hed of the Christian Church, to become the Catholic Church.<br />
Try reading some facts instead of writing more delusions for morons to follow.<br />
If you can read the Bible, spot the obvious giveaways it is fiction in the first 3 pages of Genesis. The first line is one such. Figure it out.
Not 100% sure, but I don't think Satan, better know as "the serpent" back then, was tossed out in the Bible. Yahweh punished the serpent for the forbidden fruit incident by taking away his arms and legs and cursing him to crawl on his belly on the ground forever. So, I'd say after. If you're doing a Bible Project maybe you should read it for yourself?
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It's not in the Bible, but part of apocalyptic literature. It was before.
after because he was thrown free of heaven for him and his followers fornicating with human women as christian doctrination teaches
probably before as this was done in spirit
Have no idea.