It's a frickin war! Taliban and Al Qada are BAD people who need to disappear. It's this kind of sissy attitude that is making this country the laughing stock of the world. People need to grow a pair and wake up and smell the coffee. There are bad people in the world that need to be stopped. These people that you are defending think of you as livestock and more unclean than dirt.
No guess work no speculation. These are bad people. Relativism is destructive to national security.
TheRose202: The problem is that you are listening to people who are not exactly objective or knowledgeable about what they are attempting to have you believe. You need to get the facts prior to making decisions.
Yes, the asker strongly believes unreliable sources.
They are prisoners of war. We are at war with Islamofascism. If we try to stop fighting Islamofascism, Islamofascism will continue fighting us. If we refuse to fight back we are complete idiots and no longer deserve a country. PS- tHERE ARE ONLY 149 DETAINEES IN GUANTANAMO. YOU NEED TO READ UP ON WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Sorry for yelling! These people that you are defending consider you nothing but a potential possession unworthy of an education and more unclean than dirt. ( I know I said this before...) You need to read up on the Taliban's twisted version of Islam. You need to start keeping track of incidents like the beheading of 17 people for singing and dancing or the three teenage girls for allegedly playing with themselves, or any other number of DAILY atrocities committed by these and other Islamofascists.
On any given day of any given month of any given year of any given decade you can check the last 3 days of Islamofascist activity and find something like thisl
2014.06.09 (Tuz Khormato, Iraq) - A suicide bomber massacres twenty-two innocents.
2014.06.08 (Taftan, Pakistan) - Nine women and a child are among thirty Shia pilgrims brutally murdered during a suicide attack by Jaish al-Islam on their hotel.
2014.06.08 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A suicide assault at an airport by ten pro-Sharia Fedayeen leaves eighteen others dead.
2014.06.07 (Mosul, Iraq) - Twenty-one local cops are kidnapped and executed by ISIL fundamentalists.
2014.06.06 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Six people at a political rally are turned into paste by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.04 (Hillah, Iraq) - Jihadis bomb a hospital, killing mostly medical students.
can you say that they are not? blindly believing liars is not a method of learning the truth. Rose202 strongly wants to believe liars. She is making a career of this rant. It would be removed on yahoo Answers, and it should be anywhere. Preaching false "gao pei" is an abuse of any forum of this type.
I believe them before I believe you.
How do you know how much it lies?
Yes, Rose and her sources have zero credibility.
I don't trust the Prez Obama and he wants everyone at Gitmo released , no matter what, like you.
Wow , comparing the Japanese Internment camps to Guantanamo. How does interning whole families of a certain ethnic background compare to holding "enemy combatants " at Guantanamo ? Get the facts straight. Nuff said I'm outta here !
Cussing ? How unladylike . If I offended you .....my apology .As far as guilt or not it works both ways. I would rather err in caution than take a chance in death if I'm wrong. My opinion, be it right or wrong.
On these computer forums, I see all too many people who have the same attitude as this asker. She reads one bad source and prematurely forms a firm belief. Then, she only looks at data hat seems to confirm her absurd biases. Such an approach to research in college earns people failing grades.
They are in Guantanamo bay right? That's evidence enough
I dont think the connection is close to being correct.
The government doesn't just do such things. They don't just lock people up. Stop vilifying the government. They have their reasons, they cannot tell us civilians so many things for various reasons and because they don't want to create panic. Imagine if they put these people on public trial and the guy confessed to all the things he and his government/organisation intended to do. Imagine how much panic that would create. Then you would be complaining about how our security is inadequate.
They cannot put these people on public trials because they also want to know if these people have future plans or how much of our national secrets they knew so they can find ways to keep us citizens safe. They also need these people alive to get to their leadersv and stop them at the source and putting these people on a public trials for so many reasons.
Dint vilify the government. They have their reasons.
Rose uses bad analogies and bad reasoning. She allows emotions aroused by biased liars to rule her.
How do you know that the people in Guantanamo are being tortured? Don't assume things.
It was the torture that was condemned not the fact that they held POWs.
You should read the policies on POWs and terrorists. There is a difference. And those people being tortured might have been convicted. How do you know there was no trial? Because there was no public trial?
Have you read any of the books by POWs from Vietnam? But before doing so learn the difference between a terrorist and a POW.
Stop vilifying the government just because you ate ignorant of so much and lack the ability to think beyond what is put in media. How do you know that guy is not lying?
You read only what you want to believe. Open your eyes and think beyond what is said printed or said. And not a single station against? That tells me your research is cr@p. Every person there is suspect to a great degree of being a terrorist or is associated with one.
But of you want to be blind, want to be stupid so be it.
Yes, as I said earlier, she only reads "gou pi" that seems to confirm hher absurdly-biased views. Yes, her "research" is not worthy of the name. It is indeed "si" and "ngao si" at that. Some people just must believe something strongly, and often, the more absurd it is, the more strongly they believe. They use childishly-subjective emotions when they should use logic that is objective.
There is solid evidence, WE just aren't privey to it. Do not be so nieve as to actually believe the liberal spin in the "news". BTW don't believe the conservative spin either.
Americans have been similarly treated in forign lands. The government does nothing because they have a sovergn right to do so. Gitmo detainees are prisoners of war. They were combattants in a war that the enemy had no uniforms, therefore, all are combatents.
Soldiers caught on a battlefield do not have the same rights as someone robbing a 7 11. They can be held until the war is over with.
Kool-Aid always taste good for the "I hate war" crowd. But the fact of life remains that bad people (from all sides) invade other lands for a myraid of reasons other than the animalistic (biologic) reason of food, territory or sex. In such an instance everyone has to be ready and willing to kill, imprison, detain, or annihilate the agressor. Disagree for the POLITICAL reasons we are involved, but not in the methods of warfare.
The asker is certainly "arrogant and self-centered" to extremes.
Well people do not want to admit that 9-11 was a terrorist attack on America. So it goes.
Give me a break. What tortured? Allowed to play soccer? Work out in a gym? Feed them food THEY want?
They should be happy to be alive. In most wars, they would have been shot and left to die.
Its very easy to try to commit suicide when you know that your captors will stop it. Some may have attempted suicide, but most are very happy to be alive.
Then I'll explain it to you. If you know that someone is going to stop you from harming yourself, you may threaten to do or partially do something that would harm yourself since you know that you will stopped. Many people each day "attempt" suicide knowing full well that death is not going to be the result.
The people at Gitmo are the enemy. They are alive for one reason. We are now using a capture vs kill mentality in fighting wars. In most circumstances they would have (and should have) been terminated. So, yes, they are happy to be alive.
Even the Obama administration during Congressional testimony has referred to the five that were just released as "infamous and dangerous terrorists".
Somehow, you seem to believe that those imprisoned during war have Constitutional Rights? The Center for Constitutional Rights is hardly an unbiased and objective source. Many of our soldiers and sailors live in worst conditions during training. So called "waterboarding" has been used to train many of our own Army, Marine and Navy personnel. Its scary, but hardly as torturous as the things that were done to our people captured in the middle east.
You have no understanding or experience regarding war or the military. War is not a video game or TV show, where the actors die painless deaths and get up to fight again. War is war.... nasty, horrible things go on. You enjoy the right to express your opinion here because of people who did those horrible nasty things protecting your country and your rights.
1. You made the first attack on my person.
2. You believe that everyone has the right to some sort of trial. Does the soldier who is shot on the field of combat have the right to a trial? Did the guy has was killed when his vehicle struck an IED have the right to a trial? They certainly didn't Did the people who died on 9/11at the hands of some of the Gitmo detainees have the right to a trial? They certainly didn't get one. War is war. There is nothing civil about war.
3. Waterboarding as used in military training is not anti-torture training. Having been waterboarded does not in any way keep one from being tortured. If it is a horrible physical thing such as many believe then it is a horrible physical thing no matter how it is used. And agreeing to it makes no difference.
4. Its sad that you believe that you are prepared to give up your life for "any of (your) many causes". You have one thing that you truly own.... and that is your life. Since you are so opposed to the Gitmo situation, I suspect that you are preparing some kind organized action to physically free the detainees there. I expect to read any day now a report where you and a group of like thinkers have climbed the fences at Gitmo to free those you believe are being detained illegally. Its easy to say that you will "gladly" die for a cause... doing it is another thing. The thousands of Americans who died in the last 13 years in the middle east, unlike you, put their lives where their months were.
1. Your "That's one of the most illogical statements I've ever heard -.-" statement was indeed an attack.
2. Did you really believe that by enlisting, you could "change things from the inside"? Now who is being delusional?
3. Attempting to enlist 3 times is hardly putting your life on the line for what you say you believe in. After all, you want to change the military.
4. I agree that we should not have ever opened the detainee center at Gitmo. We should have shot the detainees when we first encountered them... they are our professed enemies.
5. Do you know what "waterboarding" is? Do you know what physical pain it causes and how long that pain lasts?
You don't even understand how the military works, do you. As an enlisted person, you have very little, if any chance to rise to a point where you could make any difference. A private or seaman doesn't get promoted to General or Admiral. Chances are that you would have pulled a "Bergdahl" and walked off your post as a deserter rather then have done your sworn duty. In your case the military seems to have done the right thing by rejecting your attempts to join.
The GITMO detainees were not captured because someone randomly found their names in a phone book. They were involved in terrorist training, organizing and recruiting, One does not have to actually pull the trigger to be involved in the death of another. US Servicemen were killed while capturing many of the terrorists at GITMO.
You have not bothered to answer any of my questions directly, so I am going to assume that what you say is what you believe, not what you know and understand. I do have one additional question for you to answer: Are you currently a full time college student?
At some point you need to simply look at facts..... First, look at my ID... the "F" indicates that I am female... not a "dude". Second, your chances of rising from a recruit to Secretary of Defense is non-existant. ... and that is where to orders that would change anything originate.
At some point my may grow out of your fantasy world and enter the real world. Until then, attempt to learn all that you can by looking at reality. I'm ending this now.
Both PBS and NPR are extremely biased. Just look at the "face" time Obama and Hillary get compared to others. Your love of NPR explains your "pie in the sky" attitude. I'd bet that you still believe the "You can keep your doctor. You can keep your insurance" lie that NPR continually allowed to be repeated on its programing.
Rose202 is the person who is actually deluded. she has no objectivity. her idea of research would fail her in any college course I have had. Scientists must be extremely objective, so Rose 202 does not begin to qualify. She needs to comprehend Real Research.
Open your own eyes. You sound paranoid. Governments are bad enough without your trying to make them far worse. How do you know anything at all about it? I do not trust you as an ob<x>jective commentator.
One book is surely biased and may be lying. There are no easy answers in life, but such people as Rose want to find easy answers by reading one biased book or looking at one biased website. "The truth is an exceedingly elusive quarry."
This book is worthless propaganda. I knew you had only bad sources.
Another dubious source. You must work much harder to find the truth. Looking at only one or two worthless sources accomplishes less than nothing.
I never assume anything I hear on the news is all there is to the story. I know there's the media's take on it, and there's the investigator's take on it. But the full and complete truth does not come out immediately.
there are many dark stains in the history of mankind already; this won't be the last unfortunately.
People in the future might just regret the fact that we didn't do the same thing we did in Manzanar.
I will bet some or all of those released with 6 months they will be killing again.
Rose is another Michael Dukakis.
The asker could give lessons on stupidity. She looks only at all too0 few bad sources and forms a firm belief quite prematurely. The rst is confirmation bias that is quite illogical. She has no perceptible reasoning ability. Immature emotions control her.
I see Rose202 believes it is an insult to be compared to Michael Dukakis, but it is a valid comparison. I could also mention Norman Mailer who with his dumb pals worked hard for the release from prison of a Mr. Abbot who murdered a young waiter soon after his ill-advised release. before long, Mr Mailer was working for release of a cop-killer. Such people never learn. rose202, Norman mailer and Michael Dukakis would loose demons upon us.
TheRose202 is making a career of this rant. On some websites, such ranting is not allowed. It should not be allowed on any off them. She formed a belief prematurely and has confirmation bias about it. such people never learn truths.
Here the asker puts words in someone's mouth. There are limits to freedom of speech or any other freedom, and this rater has badly abused freedom of speech. She has a strong bias, and does not consider for a moment that it could be in error. Yahoo Answers would probably remove this rant. She could then try to sue for violation of freedom of speech, but no0 lawyer would take such an absurd case.
You are the person I see who makes unfounded assumptions. What is your source of information? You need to open your own damned eyes. You need to really research the matter. That means looking at the total picture, not just leftist lies.
One source means nothing. It can be biased, lying, etc. Real Research takes much more time than you are willing to give. You must try to look at all data on any given subject. One book and one website mean nothing when you should be looking at all arguments. You are certainly blind to truth. You formed a premature bia and seek to confirm it. Hysteria controls you, when Logic should be in control. I can hardly believe my mailbox was filled with your excuses for believing absurd 'gao pei". Some people want to believe such "gao pei", and the more absurd it is the better they like it.
Yes, you are blind to any data that refutes your premature biases.
TheRose202: Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. It is very simple, there is no universal Freedom of Speech. The Constitution simply states that Congress shall make no law to limits speech. The amendment sates:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It simply doesn't provide for unlimited, unrestricted speech.
This book is immature biased garbage. One bad book is worthless.
TheRose202 is certainly blind to objectivity, logic and reason.
Another bad source. your ability to research is non-existent.
I receive notifications from EP when anyone comments upon questions I have answered, and once again, my mailbox is filled with notifications that you have made more dumb replies to people answering this question. You obviously want to believe passionately one orr two strongly-biased dumb sources and refuse to see alternatives to this absurd "gao pei". You are incapable of learning much of anything. I am glad you cannot release prisoners to kill people, as Michael Dukakis and Norman mailer did.
Like many people Americans are manipulated bafoons as a group, so evidence is not requiered ! If the newpapers, radio, tv, speaks it, Americans sware by it
I think Rose is the person believing bad sources.
I assume you'd be ok with them staying the night at your house??
this asker dares to say that someone else's logic is flawed when she is extremely illogical. I inform such people that LOGIC has objective criteria. You cannot simply say, "I am logical, but anyioone who disagrees with me is not!" That is elementary school 'gou pi.
They should be arrested for wearing those orange jump suits
Yep , I always knew they had grounds to keep the buggers locked up