As a woman, your own moral standards must ultimately determine when an abortion is justified. Your body is your own, and all the rest of us can merely make suggestions as to what you should do; some of us will do so more stridently than others. The decision and the responsibility are yours and yours alone.
In a way your right. We are born with free will to do what ever we want. So yes you have the right to decide to kill the child but it's still morally wrong and that is not based on the individuals view it's just flat out in moral. Also think of this I have the right to kill you because I have free will and it's still inmoral it doesn't matter if I personally see it as ok or justifyable for something you have done
The problem : Some can argue. Everything we do is predetermined. A plan for each individual. I think free will, gives us the ability to DECIDE what we can or can not do, morality code, individual morals, some are very strict, some not as strict, some not very strict. WHO decides which one fits all , if we have free will that allows each individual to choose ? IT cant be both ways. Like, ok everyone has to have the same moral code as me ( strict as example ) I just decided for everyone else. you do it my way ! WHERE IS FREEWILL? it isn't easy!
It isn't your place to decide what is morally right for another person. You anti-choice folks always go on about "the child" (which isn't a child, it's an embryo or a fetus--basically, a parasite that can't live outside its host) while completely forgetting about the human being whom you want to force to carry it against her will. So, I have to ask: How many unwanted children have you adopted? Since you are so concerned about children, I'm sure you're doing all you can for the ones who are already here, starving to death, freezing on the streets every winter, dying for lack of medical care. Oh wait, that would take EFFORT. All you anti-choice people have the ambition to offer is words, unsolicited advice, and judgment.
Oh, and if you don't believe in abortion, two suggestions: 1. Don't have one. (This should be easy if your screen name is your real name.) 2. Don't MAKE children unless you and your partner are willing to support them and raise them right.
are you a mind reader? you just put everything i feel into words perfectly!
And may I add , What is moral is also not the same everywhere. There are societies where being raped is cause to be stoned by your own siblings. Or where you are required to take and bed your brothers wife if he dies. It is not as easy as this is right.
I am someone who is pro-life. I have said that the only times it should be allowed are in the case of rape/****** or if the mother's life is at risk. You ask a good question. <br />
I think, personally, I have known a number of young women who have used abortion as a form of birth control. They talk about 'responsibility for their own bodies' AFTER they have failed to practice responsibility by choosing not to have unprotected sex or to consider the consequences of having sex with someone they hardly know, when they are intoxicated, etc. <br />
I think, when control and choice are denied a woman, in the case of rape/******, they should be provided with an option. The psychological/emotional aftermath of such an event will inevitably have a negative effect on the relationship between the 'mother and child'. <br />
I would rather not see any abortions being done, but the world isn't that 'black and white'. I would rather see women taking responsibility for their bodies before they have made an error in judgment, before they are visited by consequences, but again, there are sometimes extenuating circumstances that have to be considered. <br />
I was physically unable to have children. To me, because of this inability, having a child is an incredible gift to be cherished, not taken for granted. I was able to adopt an incredible boy who has been the light in my life and given me the gift of motherhood, because his mother chose adoption as an option, rather than abortion. I am forever in her debt.<br />
Response: Sally Sea, you are quite welcome!
I agree 100%.
I'm "pro-life" too - but I support early-term abortion. Because I am not just pro-life, I am pro-quality of life. I know 4 other girls who have had an abortion. & yes, 1 of them was stupid about it. As for the others, 1 was raped, & 2 were on birth control. I was also pregnant whilst on birth control...& yes, I terminated it.
"They talk about 'responsibility for their own bodies' AFTER they have failed...to consider the consequences of having sex with someone they hardly know, when they are intoxicated" - having sex with a stranger/whilst intoxicated does not increase your chances of getting pregnant. In fact, I'm pretty sure having a lot of sex with the same person would increase those chances significantly. So we don't need to demonise female sexuality.
The fact that having children to you is a gift, does not mean it is so for other women/girls, or the children they bear, for that matter. Why is having a child the best option for all women? & while your child was lucky to be adopted by a mother who loves him, many children handed over are passed from foster home to foster home. & their outcomes aren't good.
To force a woman to go through a pregnancy following a rape is to say that she has no value as a human being. Rape is a violent act and to force a woman to continue to pay the price for nine months is cruel. Most petty criminals don't get a sentence that long. Why should society be allowed to impose their irrational and unempathic views on a rape victim only to allow the victimization to continue? Men will never understand the concept of rape and pregnancy. Their arrogance may enable them to offer opinions on the matter but in the end it's just another fool speaking of something of which he knows nothing.
Exactly! The continuance of victimization.
You take ignorance to a level very few reach. First off men get rape to some study suggest almost as often as woman. Doesn't seem that way because it is not something men are even as close as willing to open up about or share. But there is no way to prove it either way. Also woman rape other woman and men to! Almost every guy you tall to has a story were they got insanely drunk and some fat nasty girl takes advantage of that and ***** the.. well that's rape the man was to intoxicated to consent and wouldn't of done it if sober. So in a sense just about every man has been rape by a woman . But because of the sexist views of society these men don't realize that they were rape and if they do no one would take them serious. But as far as the abortion it's unfortunate for a girl to get rape then prego but it's still morally wrong to murder the child. Yes she will have to suffer for 9 months more but she then can put the child up for adoption. It's not fair for the child to be killed because of other people's mistKe
People who oppose abortion tend to blame the mother for having premarital sex, and want her to take responsibility for her actions. Obviously in the case of rape this isn't a valid ob<x>jection.<br />
And no, the fetus doesn't get any say, because the fetus isn't cognizant yet. And even if it was, that doesn't give it permission to ride around in someone else's body.
I'm pro-choice; an abortion is justified when the woman whose body is involved DECIDES it's justified. I hear MEN speaking of women "using abortions as after the fact birth control" (often men who don't use condoms as DURING THE FACT birth control, btw). They have no clue what an abortion means to the majority of women, either emotionally or physically---how difficult it is on the body---so to use it as birth control would be like someone opting to have a craniotomy everytime they had a migraine. An early termination involves removing a cluster of cells not viable outside the body, cells that have the POTENTIAL to become a person if left to develop but have not yet done so. So there is no "murder" or "killing" involved. I've never understood the insistence that a woman who is pregnant due to supposed "irresponsibility" should stay so---who would be less qualified to be a parent ?!
Don't tell me to "read up" on anything, since you can't presume to know what my background is on this issue.I stand by what I've said.
You didn't read what I said. Nowhere did I say the "only" abortions ever performed on anyone were early terminations---you inferred that. Late term abortions are an entirely different matter. I said "early terminations involve removing a cluster of cells and no murder or killing is involved". I stand by that. Under U.S. law, early terminations ARE still legal, thanks to Roe v Wade. I admit I'm defensive because frankly I resent having to argue the point with anyone who doesn't have a uterus. Not your body, not really your business.
*clap clap clap clap* that's a big standing ovation for you BB
It doesn't. Rape is an unforgivable offence. Abortion is a womans CHOICE. There is no more excusing an "antiabortionist" :p for judgement of a fellow human beings' decision than there is judging a woman for her own personal choice. They cancel eachother out... just mind your own ******* business & be kind to one another.
The sins of the fathers are visited on the next generation.
Rape is a crime, if a pregnancy resaults from a sexual assault, to FORCE the victim to endure an unwanted pregnancy is absurd and only idiots would even have such a thought. Sometimes I cannot believe that as adults we have this debate. If it involved the body of males, you can bet there would be no question, they would do as they pleased ba<x>sed on their individual beliefs. I think politcians should get their brains out of women's uterus's. What utter hubris. As the mother of two adult daughters, the idea of forcing them to bare the offspring of their rapist makes me violently ill. What kind of people are we?
Well I am not anti-abortion though not exactly pro..<br />
The thing with rape is, you don't know what is wrong with that person who raped you. Nothing to say he isn't mentally ill or physically ill in a way that could effect the baby. Plus there's the matter of would you want to carry a reminder of the most horrible thing that's every happened to you in you for 9 months?
abortion is people playing God. There is enough evidence to prove unborn babies have there own blood type, and use the mother to survive by provide essentials to survival, shelter,food etc,. So once the baby is born a baby continues to need the same things but can get them from anyone of course preferably the mother. So the truth is it is goverment sanctioned homicide. Even if the woman is raped its not justifed because the unborn baby is a inoccent bystander, she can put the baby up for adoption. Unborn baby are separate human being not organs but livng people, they just cannot take care of their self yet.
...& if the "baby" (or foetus) doesn't have the mother's consent to provide those essentials, why should she? sure it would be a nice thing to do...but it's not her obligation to. especially when the foetus isn't a conscious being.
"she can put the baby up for adoption" - oh yeah, easy. that's the solution - i wonder why women have been receiving/giving themselves abortions for thousands of years when they could have just put the baby up for adoption?
ever thought there was more to it than that? i take it you've never been pregnant...that or your pregnancy was a breeze.
how many of these unwanted babies have you adopted, btw?
I'm sure you know the concept of separation of church and state. But government is not the only area into which religion cannot and must not be allowed to enter. Medical practice, as well, cannot and must not be governed by religion.
Because the religious right has dragged their belief system into government, it is likewise spilling over into medicine. Abortion is not a an issue open for political debate. Nor is it religious or a moral issue. It is a medical procedure. A fetus is not a "person." It is a collection of non-sentient, nonviable cells. It has no more "rights" than a cancerous tumor has to live in its host body.
Or, to look at it another way, it is a matter of the right to bodily autonomy. Did you know that it is illegal to harvest organs from a cadaver without permission? Survivors can give permission for organ harvest, but even then it is only permissible if the body is brain dead (i.e., if the human consciousness that owned and powered the body is gone beyond restoration). So, every time a person says he or she is opposed to abortion, they are saying that they believe that a woman has fewer rights than a corpse.
Let that sink in. Pretty monstrous, isn't it.
The decision to abort can, and must, be entirely the pregnant woman's choice. Anything else reduces women to mindless incubators with no free will.
No - it's a foetus. It can't talk.
Jokes. In all seriousness, if you consider a zygote to be a human at the moment of conception...then yes. It's ok - the woman had no say in the matter, she has no responsibility for the life she is carrying, & does not have to go through pain & suffering (emotional & physical) for a "person" she doesn't even know.
However, if you like myself consider personhood to be an essential element to being human...then either way it's ok.
Sweetie, it's very simple really: Your body, your decision. Period. End of sentence. Case closed.
THE FETUS DOES NOT GET A SAY IN THIS. We want our laws to be fair and equitable. We have LAWS to try to prevent CHAOS. Every situation has the possibility of being different from all others. Which ones are justifiable ? I try to keep things as simple as I can. I can only come up with " Walk a mile in another persons shoes. " How can the law be fair to every individual case? There is no ONE size fits all.
THE ACT OF RAPE IS NOT CONSENTUAL.
i personally believe abortion is a-ok until that hunk of cells develops brain activity, but i do get why people who are uneasy with it would want at least an exception for rape. the victim shouldnt have to bear a reminder or the attack for 9 months and then raise a bastard kid she didnt want
It's still wrong to have a abortion . Even if it's the child of the rapist. Only time it's morally ok to kill a unborn baby is when the life of the mother is threaten. It sucks that a woman would have to go through this for 9 more the but she can then put the kid of for adoption. The child should not be killed for other people's mistakes