If I'm a Proud Atheist does that make me evil to you?

Asked By: GnatFree 22-25 9 months ago

I mean it's not like I am trying to convert anyone, I just don't think that using biblical scripture and religiously based arguments to block gay marriage should even be allowed in court. It's not factual, it's historically inaccurate, and it redefines marriage nearly every 22 pages. Plus half of the books contradict each other.

If a forensic test contradicted itself it wouldn't be used as evidence for a crime, so why is a book that does it nearly every three pages allowed to be used in a legal defense of blocking gay marriage or forcing others to teach creationism?

I don't hate god, I just want him out of my laws.

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Posted by jeanemae Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:42PM

Nah. Beliefs don't make people evil. People just use them to mask their evil deeds. So if you're good, you're good. If you're bad, you're bad.

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Posted by FordPrefect42 Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:46PM

I hear ya! If we were to get rid of all the religiously based laws within the US, our law books would be about half as thick. What the hell happened to separation of church and state?

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Reply by GnatFree Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:38PM

Double standards.
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Posted by BG43214 Aug 18th, 2012 at 8:59AM

Hell no......I rather admire Atheists......they do their 'homework' and can back up all the stuff they believe in.........I'm against organized religion, but could never be an Atheist............but more power to you.......Esp. when it comes to the things you mention........we have to remember that we are NOT a nation under God, we are a nation under a CONSTITUTION..........but try explaining that to people!!

So while I'm not one, I have no objections to your being one!!

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Reply by JackofAllTardes Aug 19th, 2012 at 8:40AM

So, tell me. How will the past Civilizations thrive w/out an organized religion? Do you have any idea of even the basics & annals of how you would the Ancients organize and establish a government? Removing Organized Religion is also a Tantamount of removing leadership, Order. Just look at Somalia as a reference. C'mon, are you serious?? Even Sid Meiers Nerds knows about this.
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Reply by GnatFree Aug 21st, 2012 at 7:04PM

Just because we used to need religion doesn't mean we still do.
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Posted by JulesInBmore Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:39PM

No, what you believe is your business. I agree that the Bible shouldn't have any bearing on gay marriage. Afterall, the Bible was written by people (mostly men who undoubtedly were homophobic). Written by people to control people.

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Posted by Kailyn Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:38PM

no of course not people are free to believe or not believe in what they want too

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Posted by Difum Aug 18th, 2012 at 11:22PM

Okay... if Atheists truly don't believe in God why do they spend so much time and energy trying to explain their position. Things I don't believe in I just ignore. Seems simple.

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Reply by Handed Aug 18th, 2012 at 11:41PM

You have a point. I am inclined to think that a militant atheist position can be an expression of anger/disappointment in God. Unconscious of course. Since God is within us, unconsciously we know that. Of course when I was atheist I would never have accepted this idea.
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Reply by GnatFree Aug 21st, 2012 at 7:28PM

If sunday is a day of rest, why can't I buy booze? Can you answer me that christians???
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Posted by nafiens Aug 18th, 2012 at 2:23AM

Nope, lets go get tacos.

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Posted by MyKittyIsBeautiful Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:48PM

I'm fine as long as you don't try to convert me

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Posted by PsychedelicCow Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:03PM

Just makes you different than me. Different isn't evil.

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Posted by Strelok Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:38PM

Keep fighting the good fight.

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Reply by Wifeinater Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:42PM

you do realize you just quoted the bible right?
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Reply by Strelok Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:44PM

"A wizard is never late nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to." The Bible is not the only book with good quotes.
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Posted by noellecasely Aug 18th, 2012 at 6:36PM

The religionists who hide behind the Bible for their opposition to gay marriage have it all wrong. Railing against gay marriage isn't Christian. Don't blame our Faith for what others do to pervert it. You aren't evil, you need to think about things a little more. OK?

A union of a gay couples is not only acceptable, it's necessary for them to gain the rights other committed couples have. Make it legal--AND moral it is right to do so.

Here comes the BUT

Don't call it "marriage".

There is no Biblical or religious basis for the arguement I'm about to give.
THe important aspect of marriage is it's sociological connotation. Marriage is the building block of society. It provides an opposite sex committed couple the means to produce and raise children in a safe and nurturiing environment with the best hope for a positive result. It means committment hard work and enduring trials and tribulations.

Yes! There are many gay couples who are superb parents and non-gays who are lousy. THe point is that thew propagation of the species is in the hands of non-gays. The question of do as you wish reproduction and serial monogamy etc are another matter. Oujr society is too lax at the present with these criminals--they are you know.

So please gay couples. conjoin in love and unity. You have the right

Just don't call it marriage

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Reply by BrighterDaze Aug 19th, 2012 at 6:36PM

this is an abomination...
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Reply by GnatFree Aug 21st, 2012 at 7:12PM

You know that same argument was used when blacks wanted to marry, and then in the 60s when interracial couples wanted to get married, right? Cuz that argument holds about as much water as a sieve.
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Posted by Handed Aug 18th, 2012 at 2:02AM

I'd be a hypocrite if I condemned you for that! I was just like that till a couple of years ago. I wore a cool Atheist t-shirt with a preying mantis with his arms folded. Now I'm no longer Atheist but also still not religious. And I'm still against all the wrong done in the name of religion. I believe glbti should have the same parenting and marraige rights as anyone. All people are equal in the eyes of God. God doesn't have a chosen people. All religions have truth and mistruth in them. And I don't thinks it's evil to not believe, or evil tobe religious. Evil is when you hurt other people in ways that damage their souls.

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Posted by hylierandom Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:00PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

MMM, biblical marriage....

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Reply by shecantholditforever Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:18PM

Awesome vid.
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Posted by ProvidentialParlance Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:44PM

Well, for one thing, this isn't really about making you evil, your real question is why do we block gay marriage. However you did ask the question so I will answer you:

It doesn't make you immoral, it just makes it illogical. If you give up special creation you're left with evolution which is about survival and any method you use to reproduce is what's right. All humans become nothing more than chemistry, a cosmic mistake. That means nobody matters and everybody is worthless. That said, if I were to torture someone, it doesn't matter, and it's OK. There is no basis to condemn it other than your personal preference.

What I mean is, there's no way to prove, say, torturing a baby, is wrong. It's really your preference against mine. Likewise, your preference for gay marriage is the same as a theistic preference against gay marriage. There's no reason why theism shouldn't be in the law books because those too are chemical creations.

Now, there's no way to prove that morality exists in a godless universe because of this: if morality does exists, then there must be a transcendental moral law giver. That would force God back into the paradigm. You're left with God, again.

So, atheism is amoral, and if tries to claim morality, self-contradicts, to claim that there is anything wrong with anything becomes very difficult.

So, why should your preferences triumph the theists? Why are your preferences special and the theists not? Why is it wrong to deny the homosexual his or her marriage?

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Reply by 151rby Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:57PM

The main fallacy here is in the second paragraph. It's a fallacy commonly made by people who see "science" as just another dogma vying for people's belief. Evolution isn't a moral code, it's a scientific theory. It says nothing about ethics, it is simply a model reflecting what has been observed about the changes in life-forms over time. If you think you can't be moral without being religious, read up on humanism.
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Reply by 151rby Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:00PM

And to get more to the point, the theory of evolution DOES NOT say that gods do not exist. Rather, some religious people say that the theory of evolution is unfounded.
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Posted by TheBlessedOne Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:40PM

No it does not. I believe in God. But I also believe people should have the freedom to believe what they want to believe.

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Reply by GnatFree Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:49PM

Believe what you want, but if you can't back up your beliefs in a court of law with real evidence, then your position has no right to be made into law.
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Reply by TheBlessedOne Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:51PM

I am not against your beliefs. I just choose to believe different that is all. We all can respect each other and agree to disagree on our beliefs. I respect you very much.
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Posted by ImaSecret16 Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:40PM

No,you're not evil.Just dont push anything on me and we're good.

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Posted by ohmygah Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:38PM

No, it doesn't make you evil. Just means your foundation is of a different substance. And, personally, I can accept that.

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Reply by cia100 Aug 18th, 2012 at 1:34AM

anyone one going against God(Higher Power) your evil.
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Reply by GnatFree Aug 18th, 2012 at 2:07AM

Then hail satan and bugger off.
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Posted by scandalouspeach Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:38PM

not unless you push your beliefs on me. jk LOL

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Reply by GnatFree Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:53PM

same goes for you.
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Reply by Femmine99 Aug 18th, 2012 at 12:15PM

Religion in the past was forced upon people, and many were killed if they went against the church. Many wars were fought over religion too.
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Posted by hjm52mar19 Aug 22nd, 2012 at 3:09AM

To it just means that you really don't understand the love God has for you, some of the most evil and despicable people in world history have done things in what they mistakenly thought was God's will, but Christian came to earth lowered Himself to that of a human being and died on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for all mankind for all of history, I know many atheists cannot accept God because they see Him as the author of rules and regulations and they don't see Him as the one who has perfect love for us, and all He wants is for you to accept the fact that His son Jesus Christ died for all of your sins, don't look to the history of the "church" it is made up of sinful man (even when we accept Christ we are still sinners we won't be perfect until the last trump 1stCor 15) look instead to God and His Son Jesus Christ, who loves you with a perfect love, once you do that you'll see the world in a different light.

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Posted by Wifeinater Aug 17th, 2012 at 10:40PM

My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be redefining marriage to make room for homosexual couples. And your details completely changed the question.

As to your original question you are wrong (on many counts) but not necessarily evil.

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Reply by GnatFree Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:36PM

So we shouldn't have redefined marriage to allow women to not be considered property of her husband but an individual with rights? We shouldn't have changed it to allow black people to marry? We shouldn't have changed it allow interracial marriages? Seems like we change the definition pretty often to me, not to mention the bible says ****** is a sin, but then Lot has sex with his daughters. Most importantly of all we have the story of Jacob from the bible, he works for 7 years to be given Rachel (his 1st cousin), but on the wedding night her sister Leah is married to him instead out of deception. Right of the bat that's adultery, lying, and a violation of "traditional" marriage. Then he works 7 more years to gain Rachel's hand as well, now we add bigamy to the list. Leah bore jacob four sons and Rachel got jealous (another sin) and gave Jacob her servant Bilhah to impregnate (I really doubt she had a choice in the matter, so rape is added as well). After she births two sons Leah gets jealous (more sin) and gives Jacob her servant Zilpah (rape once again) who bears him two more sons. Then Leah gave birth again, and Rachel finally had a child. According to some Bilhah and Zilpah are half sisters to Rachel and Leah, so it's just a big old ****** fest. Yeah, that certainly sounds like any normal marriage in this day and age. Who hasn't married two cousins and had two mistresses on the side that the wives were fine with?
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Reply by Wifeinater Aug 18th, 2012 at 12:02AM

Something I feel a lot of people miss is in the stories told in the bible not all actions are condoned as righteous or even good examples. Those scenarios brought a lot of grief to all involved, though God chose to bring good out of them via the bloodlines of the children. A lot of the stories are what NOT to do. If you go through Jacobs entire life you see the consequences of those actions being played out upon him and his children. For instance brothers selling brothers into slavery. In many ways a lot of the old testament is there to show us that men CANNOT live perfect lives but God forgives and chooses to use us despite our imperfections and blatant sin. David is referred to as a man after God's own Heart. And yet he was one of the biggest sinners out there, the difference between him and many others is he would repent and strive for better. No one can live a perfect life, and I do not condone any form of sin yet it is in my life... All I can do is pray for forgiveness and that God will find a way to use the mess of the life I have lived. The main problem with my own religion is that people are taking the actions of men which are recorded as history (which has in many cases been proven) and taken them to be examples of how God meant things to be. The only real example we have to follow of how God wishes us to act is Christ. Who did hang out with ******, tax collectors (traitors in the eyes of the nation) and repeat sinners. The bigots of his time asked him why and how dare he. And his response was that they needed him. I'm sure not all of those people repented. But he still loved every one of them. There were times when he put his foot down but more often you saw him reaching out to those everyone else shunned. I honestly feel this hatred that cloistered Christians harbor to those who are sinning is an even greater sin. At least most gays and others are merely lost, not hating in the name of Christ. Don't get me wrong I'll straight out tell you it is sin (that's my freedom of religion and freedom of speech) and you are free to tell me to bugger off and live your life how you want and we will see who is right in the end. One of my best friends is Bi. She knows what I think of it but we're still friends, I'm not beating her over the head with it and she doesn't rub it in my face. we have general respect for each other as human beings with the right to choose.
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