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maxximiliann maxximiliann 36-40, M 6 Answers May 6, 2012

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Merely because we haven't learned how to do something, doesn't mean that it requires a separate "intelligent agent" to do it. We just need to keep trying until we learn.

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Given all of the brilliant minds who have been trying unsuccessfully to do so almost a century now, what chance does random probability have?

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The issue isn't whether or not the process can be deciphered but whether or not it could have come about by pure accident. Given that it's proven impossible for today's brilliant minds to make one, this would seem to make a very strong case for a vastly superior Intelligent Agent being responsible for the existence of life instead of random probability :)

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If the approach is "we'll just keep trying till we get it right" and this goes on for another century with no success, then will you concede it's impossible for scientists to make one? Or what if they keep trying for another 250 years without success? Or 1,000? Maybe 12,000 years? What if they keep trying for 10 x 10E100 years and still no success? Then will you concede it can't be done? :)

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Besides, it still wouldn't change the fact that it's impossible for simple cells to form as a result of random, probabilistic events :)

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Hmmm.... You may need to rethink this argument. A cell has been created from man-made DNA. Next argument?
http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2010/5/24/scientists-announce-creation-of-cell-with-synthetic-dna.aspx

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From your article: "They started with a species of bacteria called Mycoplasma capricolum and, by replacing its genome with one they wrote themselves, turned it into a customized variant of a second existing species, called Mycoplasma mycoides." While what they did was remarkable it hardly constitutes the creation of a simple cell. What they did is akin to swapping out a 572 Hemi 650 HP with a 16 cylinder quad-turbocharged engine. These molecular biologists didn't build anything from scratch which is what my question pertains to :)

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Your original question asked about creating a cell. It said nothing about creating something from nothing, so my response was to your original question. A cell has been created.
We can debate for centuries about what constitutes a "cell." However, you can't dismiss this event so easily. If the scientific community accepts the creation enough to publish the event and to call it a "cell,", it's enough for me. They can carry on the debate among themselves.
As for your revised question... You assume this world came from nothing. That is a very difficult, if not impossible position to hold much less to prove. Until someone is able to prove that, I'll stay with my position.
All the best....
SA

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As it stands now, it requires the same intelligent but silent agent, if any, to answer this question.

But, even if She does, the questions ain't going to stop there. The why of the why still remain. We are still at the How and a long way away from it. Even when we do, it would be like building a toy helicopter for a college project.

Also, the point is not about who is right, evolution or intelligent agent. It's about whether either of them has all the answers till the last drill down, the hows and whys of the entire machine called Creation. Right now, neither of them do, they know they don't, yet they are busy showing how the other doesn't. Like children fighting on sand castles on the sea shore.

Which is why both explorations are worthwhile. Even if it's not entirely logic or entirely belief. As long as the questions are pursued, even the pursuits are exhilarating enough.

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You might want to Google that......it's been done.

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I have. It hasn't.

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Denial...the ultimate refuge of the moron.

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Petty insults. The last refuge of a feeble mind unwilling to face truth.

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Because no one with the intellectual aptitude has tried it yet!

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Given all of the brilliant minds who have been trying unsuccessfully to do so almost a century now, what chance does random probability have?

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You're not talkig about random probability...You're wondering who on Earth has the brains, the ingenuity, and the willingness to give it a go!

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You're not talking about 'random probability'. What you want to know is: Who on Earth has the ingenuity, the brains, the capacity, and the willingness to do it?

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Not really because I know many brains have been using their ingenuity to make one - and they can't. It's too hard. That would seem to make a very strong case for a vastly superior Intelligent Agent being responsible for the existence of life instead of random probability :)

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Obviously, a superior intelligence exists,,, We just haven't found it yet... and what does that have to do with a single-cell organisim?

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Evolutionists claim life originated from simple cells as a result of random, probabilistic events. Given the inability of today's great minds to make one this would seem to refute their claim :)

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