Everything is natural. We all came from stars; asbestos came from stars. Nothing is unnatural. Beaver homes are as natural as human homes.

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OK. Do you think the word artificial is useless and misleading then?

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To me artificial can only mean it didn't grow that way. Utilized and artificial mean very closely the same thing.

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Ooookay, so the bird nest the termite mounds and the chipmunk burrows grow that way but our houses, bridges and tunnels did not. What makes the difference?

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Birds' nests and burrows don't grow. They're utilized resources, but still are natural--same as bridges and tunnels.

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The artificial is natural. That is what I take your view on these matters. But that brings us back to the suspicion that the distinction is unnecessary and misleading.

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ITS CALLED FERMALDAHIDE AND ABESTOSS. BUILD A TEEPEE OR A CABIN IOF YOU WANT TO LIVE OFTHE LAND DONT FEED ME THE CONSTRUCTION SITE IS NATURAL CRAP PLS.

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Not feeding anything to anyone. Just asked the question what makes something artificial. If it was formaldehyde and asbestos a trap made of iron was not artificial. What do you think?

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It's an excellent question: possibly one difference is we require special training and materials that we bring or manufacture from someplace else to build our dwellings. Other creatures build theirs solely on instinct, with no formal instruction, using whatever they can produce or is at hand.

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Being trained and use materials from far away. Interesting, but do you know how the ability to teach and bring materials from far away helps to set the products outside nature somehow? Is teaching or transporting at odds with nature?

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You don't need a permit for a cobweb, beaver dams don't produce hydroelectric, and birds nests aren't required to have indoor plumbing and electricity.

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An iron trap that was used is the 18th century, a dam that only regulates a river and a house that is before installing pipes and wires are natural. What is there in a permit, pipes or electricity that can set certain objects outside nature?

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