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Is Christianity the most optimistic of all the great religions?

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    FoggyKoala - 18-21 years old - male

    Posted by FoggyKoala Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:16PM

    Christianity is a very wide belief. The people, who focus on the old testament...I sure wouldn't call them optimistic.

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  1. YungTaku - 18-21 years old - male

    Reply by YungTaku Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:17PM

    Truuue!

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  2. turtlesplash - 36-40 years old - male

    Reply by turtlesplash Aug 5th, 2012 at 6:39AM

    i usually call them Jews

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7 Answers to "Is Christianity the most optimistic of all the great religions?"

  1. IvanKaramazov - 22-25 years old - male

    Posted by IvanKaramazov Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:44PM

    Although this really depends a lot on what you take optimism to be, I don't think that's really a defensible contention at all.

    Several religions believe in an attainable paradise that can be reached if certain conditions are met, so Christianity is certainly not unique there. But unlike those religions, Christianity assumes that humans are completely debased and depraved. Whatever our faculties ("made in God's image"), Christianity assures us there is no hope for any of us without the favorable whim's of a monarchical father-figure. And that whim is favorable contingent on believing something that is not well supported by any decent evidence. You cannot sincerely believe something that doesn't seem to be true or otherwise makes no sense. So it might be "easy" to gain the Christian god's favor if you're already disposed to the religion, but it isn't possible if you actually think critically about it. You can no more choose to believe the Christian myths are real if everything says they are false than you can simply choose to believe red is blue. That doesn't seem optimistic to me.

    In a somewhat altered form, the same pattern for attaining paradise exists in Islam as well (that is, the ultimate deciding factor is the whim of Allah - what Christians call "grace"), but Islam lacks the same Augustinian belief in "original sin" or the inherently debased, Hobbesian character of man. So I'd say that within the basic Abrahamic worldview, Islam is already a more "optimistic" religion than Christianity.

    This is not to say that the other major religions are significantly better. Buddhism, for example, though it has a positivistic bent not reliant on moralizing (i.e. Buddhists speak of objective "suffering" and not the supernatural concept "sin") and it teaches that the means to attaining serenity and harmony are available to every man, still has an unhealthy dose of blame-the-victim-ism injected into it in the form of "karma." Because if bad **** happens to you, like social exploitation or genocide, that's totally because you did something bad to someone somewhere at some point. (And yes, I know that some people regard bad things happening as "tests" of one's character, but at that point the whole karma hypothesis is totally unfalsifiable.)

    Ultimately, perhaps it is Taoism, which lacks explicit concepts of sin and karma (though religious syncretism is an ongoing process), that is the most optimistic of the major religions. It's hard to say, because Taoism is a bit more like certain Presocratic attempts to interpret and explain nature than it is explicitly supernatural doctrines that grew out of stories about magicians. What it does suggest is that harmony with one's environment is ideal and attainable. Of course, it can also be viewed as a "do nothing" philosophy, but that generally stems from a bad reading of what balance requires.

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  2. turtlesplash - 36-40 years old - male

    Reply by turtlesplash Aug 5th, 2012 at 6:00AM

    Philosophical Taoism at least, though not in its more superstitious aspects which are full of demons, ghosts and gods - but the Tao Te Ching itself is fairly neutral to my mind - i think it's more optimistic for you because it's not very dogmatic or moralizing compared to Western religions --- i still feel Christianity is probably the most optimistic of religions for some the simple reasons i suggested to aprilriver - i think when you argue it isn't optimistic [or less than other religions] you do so largely by excluding the most positive interpretation of its theology in favour of the darkest ones - also i think you seem at times not to be comparing it to other religions but to liberal humanism, though perhaps here i'm reading too much into your words ------ please note though Ivan that i am only a Christian by culture, not by faith - my principle theological problem with Christianity is that it has split-off evil from God through the fall of Lucifer and i think there is a dangerous slight of hand - i cannot conceive of God as wholly good for there is too much evil in the world - i am fascinated by the figure of Jesus [the most influential person in Western history], but Christianity itself is too black and white, too naively optimistic for my soul

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  3. bhaktagerald - 36-40 years old - male

    Posted by bhaktagerald Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:26PM

    May I ask how many Religions do you know. I only ask because I might bring up one you haven't heard of. Hare Krishna

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  4. BarvoDelancy - 31-35 years old - male

    Posted by BarvoDelancy Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:22PM

    Yes and no. The fundamental tenants of Christianity being forgiveness, turn the other cheek, give your money to poor people, yay for the meek are about as high as you get for human virtues. But if you look at the old testament you get into some real nastiness, and the entire trend of 'If you don't believe what I believe you will suffer forever" isn't really that optimistic.

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  5. aprilriver - 31-35 years old - female

    Posted by aprilriver Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:20PM

    Their are a lot of different Christians out there sometimes they are the most hateful of all and sometimes the most cheerful and optimistic it just depends.

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  6. turtlesplash - 36-40 years old - male

    Reply by turtlesplash Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:30PM

    oh i know, but theologically speaking it is the only one that conceives of God as universally good - Heaven is also much, much easier to achieve than Nirvana

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  7. aprilriver - 31-35 years old - female

    Reply by aprilriver Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:34PM

    Well I suppose in that respect they just be one of the more optimistic groups, but Hari Krishnas are pretty optimistic also. They believe that they don't need to do anything but chant Krishna's name to achieve euphoria and that Krishna will provide all that is needed. Even if you were to sit in one place supposedly Krishna will provide.

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  8. KarchAmadeo - 18-21 years old - male

    Posted by KarchAmadeo Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:18PM

    It i a religion for the hopeless. A religion for those who want to put themselves above others, those who fear death, and those who fear for their afterlife. Its rather pathetic when you think of it.

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  9. turtlesplash - 36-40 years old - male

    Reply by turtlesplash Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:27PM

    it sounds like you feel that way about all religions

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  10. KarchAmadeo - 18-21 years old - male

    Reply by KarchAmadeo Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:33PM

    Shintoism and Buddhism I do not dislike. Its just the religions which focus on an afterlife prize system that annoy me.

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  11. YungTaku - 18-21 years old - male

    Posted by YungTaku Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:16PM

    Techniquely nope

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