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When using psychedelics?
Enfinehti Enfinehti 18-21, F 19 Answers Mar 5, 2012

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Enlightenment is loss...................

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of materialistic views. And the loss of those around you who have not changed their views as yet.

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True! To a point anyway...

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Zen masters call that unexpected flash of enlightenment Satori, and yes it can happen in a day. But as others have pointed out it usually only comes after long preparation. In native cultures there's often a tradition of using natural substances like peyote or mushrooms, but only to guide the search for visions.<br />
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I got interested in this stuff while I was still in college and trying figure out the whole mind/body connection. There's a lot of written research, historical records and personal accounts. The funny thing is the attitude a lot of Zen monks had after realizing satori. One of them wrote: " Before enlightenment, chopping wood and carrying water. After enlightenment, more wood and more water."

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precisely!

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not enlightenment means patience with self discovery. You can be awoken with psychedelics but the journey will still take time.

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This is true.

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It depend on a persons karma. It doesn't take time, it takes willingness and preparation. That might involve time for ordinary people with lots of attachments.

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and also time along with willingness and preparation. But once you have awoken you will have no choice but to be willing and prepare.

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yes, sure

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Yes and no.<br />
This depends on the purity of each soul<br />
and the grace of God. No humans or<br />
human methods can interfere or intervene.<br />
The perfectly polished mirror immediately<br />
reflects the Sun of Truth.<br />
The unclean mirror may take centuries for cleansing.

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Get a belly full of "God", a head full of ego, go have a nervous breakdown then take a personal inventory and clean up your side of the street.

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Sorry - no quickie Nirvana.

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Actually, once you see the path, getting there is VERY easy.

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I don't think so.<br />
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The adage; "The road to enlightenment" springs to my mind here. I think it's a devotion which takes time along with both physical and mental effort. But I do believe there are those who can say they have reached their personal enlightenment, but this would have come from a journey rather than a sudden flash of inspiration where everything fell into place for them; the great philosophers spent their entire lives trying to find Enlightenment and never quite got there.<br />
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~F~

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Yes and everything up till that day is mere preparation. Full Enlightenment happens when your attachment to Cosmic Consciousness is great than your attachment to the physical body, astral body, and causal body. If you are a greedy selfish person then your attachment will stop you from reaching that state. Spiritual practice strengthens the body so it can withstand Cosmic Consciousness. Ordinary people lack faith, devotion, and consistency so their efforts fail no matter how strong the medicine.

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Interesting! I never thought that enlightenment was due to devotion. I just thought it had to do with knowledge and acceptance.

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Its definately possible to see things in a totally different perspective,both visually and mentally,for the duration of a trip,and personally I found that although the of perception decreases,it has been recognised,and never forgootten or denied.

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Nope...enlightenment is found by givng things away, not by taking them.

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haha

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Though shamans use them for this very purpose?

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well, shamans are experienced, and even then things don't work out the right way.

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Who says Shaman are enlightened?

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I agree with dabitch -lol love the username- my mom was on phsychedelics for a long time. You really should be careful and that goes for everyone.I guess though, it could be possible. Its a hard question to answer i guess it depends on the person using it.

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Good point about depends on person using it.

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I suppose it depends on your perception of what it is to be considered as "Enlightened"...

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I think the instant enlightenment doesn't have to come with drugs or what so ever... I believe that even a near-death experience can put us through that epiphany, and show us that precious ego-free world...

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I don't think so because I learn more about God more and more daily and we will never know all there is to know about Him.

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.....................ooooh, tricky subject - lost 10 years of living doing that - be careful, be verrrrry careful

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I'm not talking about abusing the drug.
Using them for spiritual experiences. Rather than for the 'feel good'.

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.....try meditation without experimentation.....no need for any form of drugs....just an open mind.....then a vacant mind....then realisation!!!

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Well, I had a very unexpected experience 'ego death' when smoking once. You could call me "once a year user". I totally agree though. You should try and reach enlightenment slowly, at your own pace. It was just thrown in my face and lost within a few months. Due to not knowing how to keep the enlightenment.

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as a trad witch I meditate daily, don't need no drugs, just lack of thoughts, empty mind, then the magick begins.....

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yes...Mushu is on the path...

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