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Need some bible help?

please, looking for a theological perspective, or a reasonable perspective. If you could spare me the bible is fiction yadda yadda yadda stuff, its appreciated.

God gave the 10 commandments to Moses, out on Mt. Sinai, which basically outlines everything not to do in society.

I read a passage last night, Peter 13, which states that slaves should respect their masters, no matter how intolerable they are.

God doesn't like murder, adultery, stealing, envy, but doesnt mention anything about man enslaving other man? God supposedly gave us freedom, even to reject him, but yet he says nothing of opposing slavery? Now, I understand that in that time, a man could sell himself as a slave, but after 7 years he was free. But if he had a family, they still belonged to the master after that seven years?

This societal agreement doesn't seem consistent with God.

thoughts ?
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Posted Nov 5th, 2009 at 8:53AM
Yeah I used every page from my bible to roll joints is there any way I can reassemble the ashes to make pages?
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Posted Sep 21st, 2009 at 8:45AM
Let's take this a step further and maybe a little simpler. Man has free will to live as he please to govern himself if he so desires to do so. You can follow what God has set up or you can do it your own way. In case you did not notice more times than not we do things our own way and set up rules of society for ourselves not based at all on God's design. Slavery is a fact of human rules and control. These people do not follow God's law and so will not accept the actions or consequences of it either. So they will own slaves and treat them badly if they want to. What it is talking about in the new testament is simply living in a world that is not Godly, so if you are a slave and have a horrid ungodly master, still work as unto the Lord. It also states that if you own slaves and our a God fearing individual you are to treat them as brother and sisters in the Lord. Way different than the other owners.
It is not a approval of a system, just an acceptance of what man is and what he is capable of.
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Posted Sep 22nd, 2009 at 2:23PM
Good answer, TravelinMan39.
Kuda, you said "God...doesn't mention anything about man enslaving other man...says nothing of opposing slavery?" I Timothy 1:10 in a list of quite flagrant sinners mentions "kidnappers," translated by the NIV as "slave traders." The book of Philemon consists of Paul in a very complimentary way telling Philemon that he wants and expects him to emancipate Onesimus. Paul also portrays slavery as undesirable in I Corinthians 7: v.23 "...do not become slaves of men." v.21"...if you are able to become free, rather do that." The significance of these last two texts should not be overlooked, as it typically is.
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Posted Sep 22nd, 2009 at 8:11PM
Did you Leave Out IDOLATRY "as something GOD doesn't
like" Intentionally ???
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Posted Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:06PM
OK...not to 'bible bash' at all,..but i was reading this book i got for 50 cents,..cos i kinda liked the pictures....
So theres this "Story of the Golden Calf"....While Moses is away up the mountain,..getting the tablets of stone,..on which the 10 commandments are inscribed,...
His followers begin to miss him...So in his place,..as a focus for worship...a representation of the god who has led them,..they melt all their gold to make the 'golden calf'...
On his return,.Moses gets mad that they would make a 'false idol'....He actually breaks the "two flat stones with the laws on them".
"He then takes the golden calf and melts it down.Then he grinds it into powder."
"The people have done a very bad thing.So Moses tells some of the men to take their swords."....
(This is all directly quoted from the book,..which is written and produced primarily for children..It goes on in these exact words...)
""The bad people who worshiped the golden calf must die",Moses says.And so the men strike dead 3,000 people! Doesn't this show that we need to be careful to worship only Jehovah, and not any false gods?"
Exodus 32;1-35
Now 2 things struck me about that...
Firstly it was sounding more like a story from the Taliban or any extremist violent group.!!!...
Secondly,..these people in the story who were supposedly butchered mercilessly,. for something seemingly trivial,.were the same ones who had faithfully followed Moses,.and were apparently under his guidance..
The book is called "My Book of Bible Stories"...
It is one of 2 million in the first edition from 1978..
It also reads "Made in the United States of America"
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Posted Sep 19th, 2009 at 11:56AM
Sorry Joe, I usually enjoy reading your hobo chic wisdom but I just don't get how those six 'reflect a disdain for slavery', but I would like to understand what you mean...

Okay, I'd better come clean, I'm not a Christian although I do find inspiration in Christ. What this means seems to me to be possibly one of two things.
1, It was an insertion, or a distorted translation that was included as a convenient way to gain divine approval for the obvious discrepancy in following the teachings of Jesus whilst tolerating inequality in society (even the most literal follower of the bible cannot deny that it is littered with cherry-picked justifications for the maintenance of the status-quo by its interpolators).
2, It might be an extension of the belief that 'the meek shall inherit the earth'. I don't believe this was a statement that the cruel and tyrannous would merely step aside and allow the meek to take control, rather that it was a prediction that those who sought to enslave those who were apparently weaker than them would come to realise that in creating slaves, they had actually enslaved themselves and that the servants would eventually become their masters, for if you are in need of slaves then you truly are weak and render yourself so dependent upon them that you would become childishly helpless without them (bit like your average modern consumer). By accepting slavery and 'turning the other cheek' (bit of a theme going on today), you prove yourself to be stronger in a more universal, although less obvious sense and therefore more worthy of a place in the hereafter.
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Posted Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:04PM
The bible is a collection of books of local stories which was assembled under the orders of rome to bring a common faith and peace to the empire. As such there was possible a certain amount of editing in the favour of the roman cause
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Posted Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:14PM
I believe there were a lot of "societal norms" of that day of which we are not familiar and were not explained in the bible. I think there are times when the bible speaks of these norms in passing and tells people to follow the cultural norms *of the day* so as to not appear to be a "rabble-rouser", trouble-maker or immodest (as in form of dress). In other words, if the bible tells women to wear their hair long or wear a covering over their heads, it's not telling the women of TODAY to do so, it's telling the women THEN to follow the cultural norm back then of what was customary for women to do to appear normal and modestly dressed.

Back in those days, they didn't have the banking and credit card systems of today; if you fell into debt and couldn't pay, selling of all that you owned, including wife, children, and self, was apparently the order of the day; debt wasn't taken lightly. That's why the topic of money and debt is one of the most, if not the most talked about in the bible -- check it out.

Bible Gateway is a cool tool for looking up topics and also has many different versions online:
http://www.biblegateway.com/
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Posted Sep 19th, 2009 at 1:01PM
No need to be a scholar or even much above an idiot to determine that God does not endorse slavery. The cherry picking comes when people pick out verses and yield them like little children with swords. See! Told ya so. Look... It is clear too me when reading the entire Bible in context, that God disdains slavery. The attitude of God towards things that are allowed but not what he wills can be seen in His own Son. One example is on divorce.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

The same can be said about slavery. From the beginning it was not so...
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Posted Sep 21st, 2009 at 9:09AM
Striving for a logical answer in regards, to the making of the 'golden calf'. We have to remember, that these Hebrews, JUST, escaped slavery out of Egypt. They had as a race of people, spent 400 years, in the Egyptian culture. The Egyptian culture held to many gods. And had idols they worshiped representing thee gods. Then plan before the escape, see Exodus 3:21, was that the Hebrews beginning the plundering, their Egyptian masters, for silver and gold. As God, made the Egyptian slave owners look to their Hebrew slaves with favor, so it was easier for the slaves to attain this silver and gold. Now if you see Exodus 20:22-26, while writing the 10 Commandments to the Hebrews, God tells Moses, while he is upon Mount Sinai...verse 25...'Do not make and gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold'. Moses was away from the people for a long while, receiving all these instructions from the LORD God. They became antsy and unsure that he would ever return, thus losing FAITH, in him as a Leader. NO patience. So having only seen and known Egyptian masters, bowing down to idols of gods, for so very many years, the Hebrews lost Faith, in the ONE God and in his spokesman/leader Moses, and made unto themselves an idol of gold, a calf. The calf or the bull, was a pagan religious idol. As far as slavery goes, this has been a custom since Man left the Garden of Eden. It was not meant in the beginning to be this way, but it is. We are slaves today to time clocks of the people or Co-operations we work for. Not much difference, except we do not live at our work places. But some of us actually spend more time at work, than we do at Home. Think about that one. We are slaves to the dollar. We are slaves to materialism.
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