I spend years working in HC and it problem with the system is that there is no price regulations in place to make HC affordable. The companies who supply drugs, materials and stuff like sutures, ortho pins, screws and meds pretty much charge anything they want. Obamacare is just a way to get people signed up for insurance.
It had no provisions for controlling prices or reforming a system that makes more and more money each year.
The elderly have paid into the system for years and should have a system that will give them care and the ability to see a doctor that they feel comfortable with, obamacare is nothing but a smokescreen.
If your dad had health problems and was still only paying $170 per month for his health insurance then it's because his health insurance was being subsidized by a retirement plan because he was either a union or municipal employee. There's no such thing as a comprehensive health plan that only costs $170 per month, and anyone who would believe such a thing is an idiot.
Sad, but true.
If he was disabled that means his coverage was probably through SSDI and what he was paying for was a bridge plan or supplemental coverage. Depending upon your state he may have been getting subsidized coverage and/or spouse survivor benefits from when he was married to your step-mother. Either way, you aren't going to get a comprehensive health plan from the private sector for $170 per month, so for you to ***** about Obamacare, then compare exchange based plans to a heavily subsidized plan your father had, without bothering to provide any details of how that coverage originated is both dishonest and asinine.
There is NO standard of health insurance in the US other than Medicare/Medicaid. People who have spent their whole lives working and having under contract health insurance included for their retirements can easily find themselves with no insurance at all if the companies they worked for default. In the public sector, NJ has had several decades of governors who have illegally raided pension accounts to pay for their programs and tax cuts and then blamed retirees for being pissed their money was stolen.
I know our daughter is buying her own insurance now, that's about it.
It costs a fortune, but she's got to have it. I just hope it costs less than when I had to pay for my own. Hopefully she'll get the low income tax credit.
What does New Jersey's pension scandal have to do with this thread? It has nothing to do with medicare.
OBAMA CARE is designed to let the older people die off as early as possible so they do not have to pay out social security. There is going to be an "END OF LIFE" committee and they will decide if you should be able to get treatment or not.
You see, when Social security was made, the average life expectancy for a man was 60 years old. So they made Social security 62 for partial and 65 for full. Basically you were never to receive it !
It was a SCAM from the very beginning. But people started living longer and now they want to raise the age and deny health care to make the elderly DIE OFF QUICKLY !
You see it now?
I always did.
Yes it is sad, as if the elderly are really taking that much from the society that they gave all their lives to. My father was a WWII vet whose very life was saved by two half dollar coins in his breast pocket ! I have those coins in my possession today. Those coins are what saved him, helped him continue to fight and also allowed for me to be born ! And when he was dying of cancer, the social security office gave him a hell of a run around and never wanted to pay him his due. He finally got some of it but it was to little to late and we lost almost everything.
Thanks Government !
I am going to admit this to you. I am on disability for a rare syndrome, and it took 2 full years for me to get to go to the hearing for Social security. Once there the judge said that I should have never been denied and there was no reason to with hold my payments. I got 2 years back pay in one lump sum and paid off my home.
WHY DID THEY DO IT ?
They were hoping I would die before they would have to pay off.
Since they have NO interest to pay out there was absolutely NO loss to the government if they paid me or waited. so they wanted to see if I would die before they paid out.
Can I just say that I love you ! LOL It is so refreshing to hear that there is someone out there who is in support of the other person in this world rather than just themselves. You actually brought a tear to my eyes with this last message. God love you !
You are so very right ! If you take the energy from any source or reason and make it positive then only good will come. How ever, the slightest bit of greed, coercion, corruption, embezzlement, will ruin it for generations to come.
Yes any energy at all. Which is what I have taught my kids, when you are teased do not let that negative energy make you mad, turn it around and make it positive energy to do even better ! Then when you graduate those kids will be doing your dry cleaning at Wang Fung's dry cleaners for minimum wage.
I understand you. My daughter is a 4.0 kid in college and my son is not far behind. Thankfully I was blessed with good kids. OK he got busted for weed and then again later for alcohol. The usual college stuff. But otherwise he is working his butt off and doing well in college.
You can brag to me all you want. I would much rather hear that then how your kids are on welfare and food stamps.
There are many bad and flawed aspects to the ACA. However, "End of Life" Committees are not a part of it. I suggest that you focus on the bad parts of the actual law. Just repeating the untruths about the law is no better than the "You can keep your doctor..." lies by Obama.
I believe that you have the facts wrong. Once you reach the age of 65, you can not purchase "regular" health insurance in addition to Medicare. A person can purchase a medicare supplement, ans Medicare Part D, but not regular health insurance. Its been this way for many years.
His health coverage may have converted to a Medicare Supplement or Medigap plan. But, his original health coverage did not remain his primary coverage and, what it paid was based on a highly regulated and government defined regulatory plan. Once a person reaches age 65 Medicare is the primary coverage. Period.
not only that but I heard that per Obama care they will seize property from people who can't afford to pay for their care...
it's bs is what it is. it's evil
That's bullshit. All that happens is you end up paying a penalty on your taxes, which is only $95 for the first year of coverage.
Yes, but that goes up sharply the second and third year to $3,600.
I know Republicans are stupid but the hope is they aren't that stupid, and three years will be enough time for them to get all the FOX Nation propaganda out of their head and figure out how to use the health exchanges to sign up for health insurance. I'm one of those who gets real tired of listening to those Elmers always ranting and raving "I ain't need no 'surance I ain't never gone use!", then the next thing you know they're ******* and moaning because they hurt their back carrying drywall or putting in a boat dock and they have to declare bankruptcy to get rid of their medical bills.