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ht tp:/ /ww w.legislature .state. oh. us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_305 \"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.\" - Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491. Hertado v. California, 110 U.S. 516. states very plainly: \"The State cannot diminish rights of the people.\" Please explain your post. Thanks! PS a \"Hide-A-Key\" box is considered a hidden compartment.
AnarchistPatriot AnarchistPatriot 46-50 2 Answers Nov 23, 2013 in Politics

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"The State cannot diminish rights of the people."<br />
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Remind me why felons can't own firearms again?

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What rights are you referring to??

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The 2nd Amendment. "As spelled out in Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code (U.S.C.), federal law bans convicted felons from possessing firearms or ammunition. (The U.S.C. is a compilation of congressional laws organized by topic and subtopic: Title 18 defines federal crimes and criminal procedure, and Chapter 44 (Sections 921-931) covers firearms.)" What was that about not infringing upon people's rights?

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I was referring to your statement;" "The State cannot diminish rights of the people."

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BTW, the right to possess a firearm is not absolute. We can't own a functioning bazooka or mortar

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Arms are considered domestic weapons, not military weapons.
Rule of thumb: if the police can have something then it is a domestic item and the people have the right to those too.

FYI: despite what the government says, our rights were supposed to be absolute, but subject to natural law.

However, this portion of the replies is not related to the topic/question.

Got any thoughts about the topic?

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I'm pointing out that he's using that 'precedent' to defend a secret compartment, when it's clear that the country CAN infringe or reduce rights of the people. I dunno what he's so worried about anyway, unless he's smuggling drugs, weapons, or illegal immigrants, it's not like they'd be looking for a compartment. Even if they suspected drugs they'd get a dog and find them. More importantly, he assumes they'd respect his 'rights'. That's the part i find funniest.

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There is no defined right to own or maintain a hidden compartment in a vehicle. Government can't infringe on a right that doesn't exist.

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Yes, that as well, but his argument falls apart when you know that all rights have limits. He's trying to use some bastardized inteepretation of the fourth amendment i suppose.

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Actually I posted the US Supreme Court decisions. It is not my interpretation of any law. It is theirs.

Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491.
Hertado v. California, 110 U.S. 516.

Since I am not a lawyer, I posted my question to find out what people think or know.

My question is this: is Ohio's law on secret compartments legal or not? And why.

Legal meaning constitutional and according to the Supreme Court rulings.

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yes it's legal, unless it's decided by the federal supreme court that it is unconstitutional. That's how the court system works. if there was an issue it would have been blocked.

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See the 9th amendment

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You mean the same amendment that was used to deny women and blacks their rights because they 'weren't people'? Great argument.

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You have it backwards. Our rights need not be specified to have them. See the 9th amendment and even the 10th amendment.

Unless a right is prohibited or regulated by the constitution, you have that right.

IRT the government though, unless the constitution gives them a right, they don't have it.

That is how and why the constitution was written the way it is.

What the government does it will do.

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I do not have any hidden compartment. BUT, if I used a hide-a-key for a spare, that would be included under that law because it 'could' be used to smuggle drugs.

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I am not worried about a compartment, but I am worried about the new laws the government passes that try to control the people.

Why punish everyone for what a few do?

If I want a secret compartment to store my wallet in while I go swimming, I should have the right to have one and use it without violating any laws.

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Just a side question if I may. What happens when the government makes all or most laws into felonies?
On average people commit 3 felonies per day.

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Name the three 'felonies' people commit per day. And don't say interfering with the mail by picking up their neighbors.

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Ever forward an email without permission?
Ever copy/paste anything or edit then repost?
Ever tell a lie?
And you mentioned mail.
Ever give an aspirin or tylenol to someone?

There are many.

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Most cited are not felonies.... and I certainly don't do those things daily. Try again.

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So, you copy-write your e-mails and lying is a felony???
Since when is giving a person an aspirin a felony???
BTW, the law you cited only applies to copyrighted materials. Try again...

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Tell us about it.

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Pretty much that law means that if you have any kind of hidden compartment, you will be charged with at least a 4th degree felony, whether or not the compartment was used for anything illegal.

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A hidden compartment where??? When did the law pass?

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That Ohio law passed in 2012.

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I just found the news report on the incident: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/22/police-find-hidden-compartment-in-mans-car-but-no-drugs-or-illegal-items-so-why-was-he-arrested/

I don't know how the law is stated, but a state certainly has the right to regulate the condition and construction of motor vehicles. California has done so for years.....

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So, is it legal or not? And why/why not?

Just because a state has a law does not mean that law is constitutional.

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Do you believe it is legal or no?

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