Yes. And I find it interesting that the "No" answers that I see so far are from men when men can't even get pregnant.
Yeah, why are we not surprised?
I know, I was just pointing how how men feel the need to be anti-abortion when it is a procedure that is performed exclusively on women.
But effect the hearts of men....sometimes without their consent or consideration, just saying
but maybe the men wants to be a dad but if it's a result of rape then I think it should be legal
That is true, but he isn't the one that has to carry the child to term. That is a 40 week process that isn't easy to get through. I hate to say it this way, but bottom line it's her body so it should be her choice.
Carry the child 40 months.... But what about the MAN that would rather choose to support that child for the next 216 months and not feel the lifetime of resentment and regret for what the 'woman' felt was too much of a burden for her to endure in order to safe a life.....just saying
totally agree it's should be up to the woman but I think they should think really good about it first
Partial-birth abortion is murder. Anytime before 2 months, it is not a human being, it's a mixture of chemicals and cells.
@Bloo: It's not about being male or female, it's about believing "the mass" inside of a woman's body is more than just "a mass", it's a human being who has constitutional rights and freedoms to pursue "life, liberty and happiness" just as the rest of us do. Just because a child is solely dependent on it's mother for the very first 9 months of his or her life does not give that baby's mother the right to end his life and deny that baby their rights that are guaranteed to them under "The Constitution".
Calicuz, you rock, 100%. Well said.
A wonderful point you presented 'itsallaparadox'. cudos to you.
Thank you my good man. :)
Seems some men don't want to take the responsibilities for their part! Sad but that's the Truth!!
Actually yes it does. An embryo/fetus is a part of a woman's body, and I feel that if she chooses to terminate then it's her choice. It's not fair to impose on my rights for a being that can't sustain itself outside of my body. I should have more "constitutional" rights than a being that hasn't developed enough to even breathe or think for that matter. I don't mean to sound harsh, but it's true.
Following your logic (term used loosly) the embryo/fetus has the cell make up and DNA of the father. Then with that said, the father should be able to 'terminate' the child as well. Now how would that go over if you wanted to keep the child?
If this was a planned pregnancy then yes. Otherwise, no b/c frankly it would be a weight off my shoulders and take me out of a situation that I wasn't truly prepared for.
It's funny that both of you are congratulating each on what a good argument you gave when the bottomline is that I'm a woman and you're a man, you can't get pregnant, I can and you don't have to put in any work. It is all the burden of the woman. At the end of the day, I should have supreme control over my body, you have yours and you can do what you want with it at your own will.
Again, if I follow your 'logic' then women should souly be responsible for birth control and if they choose to keep the child, the man shouldn't have to be responsible unless it was 'planned' by him as well.....curious thought you bring to the mix, just saying
I didn't say they don't deserve life, I'm saying that women should not be forced to carry a child to term, it should be her right whether she will or not. If it was planned then it would be a pregnancy that I'm excited about, not one that I would be stressing over b/c I'm not prepared for it.
Then the man should have the same consideration in the matter as well. And if a man shouldn't have the choice, explain why not in a rational manor please.
"Then the man should have the same consideration in the matter as well. And if a man shouldn't have the choice, explain why not in a rational manor please."
I've found that argument hard to argue with in the past, but I'm going to take a crack at it.
1) A man can't decide whether the fetus should or should not be aborted. It's part of the woman's body at the time, the final decision must be hers. Although hopefully if the father has strong feelings in the matter she would take those into consideration, she can't be compelled to.
2) Once the child passes whatever threshold is determined to define personhood, it has become a person in its own right. That person is the biological child of both its mother and its father, giving both those people a responsibility to take care of it.
3) Therefore, there's no point at which a father can reasonably divorce himself from responsibility over a child.
That might seem unfair, in the sense that the woman *does* have a window in which to make that decision -- but it's a brutal and traumatic decision to have to make, do you honestly resent that woman "get" to make it and men don't? Pregnancy is perhaps the only issue in which there cannot and will not ever be perfect equality, because when it comes down to it women get pregnant and men don't. Biologically, that's what the distinction between female/male *means* -- those of a species who bear the children, and those that don't. To insist that rights and responsibilities of the father and mother of an unborn child should be *precisely equal* is spurious; one of them has to bear that child to term, and one does not.
As a final point, the law in many jurisdictions DOES allow fathers to renounce all rights and responsibilities to fatherhood. And if they later change their minds after all the difficult stuff has happened, and want to be involved with the child they abandoned, the law is often pretty lenient on letting them do so. So, is *that* fair?
Fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but govt should not infringe on the rights of women that want to have abortion as an available option. And I do think that women should come first, not something that is inside of her.
I respect your opinion. I am sorry you moral values are at that low of a standard. May I ask what part of the country are you from?
Yes it does. You have no idea what being pregnant would be like, or especially giving birth, even if you could've prevented it with abortion! You vajaja gets all stretched!! Eww!
I agree with Asukuku....It's a life....who deserves life.
Thank you Blooregard!! and my username comes from that character lol. Freaking love Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends!!!!
"Itsallaparadox" I think you have got it now.... oh, but that philosophy only works if you are a 'woman', just saying.........sarcastically
Wait a minute, this thread went way into my personal beliefs when the only point that I wanted to make was that I believe women should have to right to abort if they want. And I personally don't think that men should stand in the way of that. That is all that i was trying to say.
If I offended you, it is only because you continued to reply and tell us your 'personal' feelings. Besides the question was "Yes" or "No". I think you brought all this on yourself, just saying
I'm not offended at all. I just felt that we were getting into different circumstances outside of the main issue. I can tell you that I don't think I could ever get an abortion and that's why I am extremely careful. I still think women should have the choice though.
I too take precautions, I firmly think it is my choice as well. Why is a womans decision more important than a mans opinion, or the government's??
@Bloo: If one is prepared for "sex" then one must be prepared for conceiving children.
what if she was raped?
That doesn't exactly happen in the real world. We have born with the parts to have sex, but some will never have the mental maturity to take care of a child that's why bad mothers and bad fathers exist. And with the elimination of abortion, there would be more children neglected due to bad parenting, more children put through our destructive foster care system. I feel that abortion helps alleviate some of these problems. All women aren't prepared and every situation isn't the right one to bring a child into. Thinking about the life of the child, I would rather them not be brought into the world than to be abused and not have their needs met. And I would like to think that the women that decide to have an abortion take that into account rather than for selfish reasons. I apologize if that is the way that I was coming off before, but the life of the mother and the quality of life for the child should be taken into account fully.
I find it interesting you can't read..
You think women who have abortions never feel sad about it? You think women who have miscarriages are never even slightly relieved? You think it's impossible for someone to feel both those emotions at the same time?
totally agree!! men are easy of saying the "NO" when they do not go through what we do...and secondly...it is her choice and no one else's...a woman has very good reasons for even thinking about having one...and she should not be prosecuted to thinking it or wanting one!! imagine your wife / gf viciously raped and she is pregnant,,,,how the hell do you think she feels carry that child?!!!!! get real!!!!!!!
thats really a $hit answer, i can't believe it got so many thumbs up. im not pro life, but i think your smart enough to figure out that men can have a definite opinion if they are pro life. really $hit answer, people should be ashamed of this level of intellect
If they're so pro-life, they can have full custody after that kid is born.
This isn't about "women's rights". At the point of conception, there is a third person who has rights too. I hate that this issue is placed all on the mothers shoulders. Yes she has to carry and give birth to that baby, but it's just as much, if not more the mans responsibility to take care of her and the baby. The "choice", should be whether to kill or keep the baby. It should be to either be cautious and safe, or pay the price. I despise this whole issue, because I was almost an aborted fetus, according to my mom she was sitting in the waiting room waiting for her appointment then walked out and didnt go through. So, there's my take on it. Will it change any minds? Lol probably not. But, it's wrong, and it's wrong on all of us to make this into just a women's issue. Lol guys walk away without a care, but all you care about is killing the baby.
At the point of conception, it's not a human being. It's a mixture of chemicals. Chemicals and cells do not have rights. Until the heart beats, which is 2 months into pregnancy, it's not a life.
"Pay the price"? I find it really creepy how often the responsibility to bear a child, give birth to it, raise it to adulthood; teaching it how to be a moral and decent person, picking its schools, nursing it through illness, helping it deal with bullies and broken friendships, helping it find a path in life, being its emotional safety net for the rest of ones days... all that is framed as the "price" one should "pay" for being a bit slapdash with using condoms. Not only does the punishment not fit the crime, it's abhorrent to paint raising a child as a "punishment" at all. The idea that in world full of child poverty, overpopulation and overloaded adoption clinics, anyone who doesn't want to raise a child should be forced to do so as some kind of moral atonement for their sexual promiscuity is just... perverse.
Don't get me wrong -- I can respect (albeit not agree with) the idea that if one has conceived a child,. one has a responsibility to bear it to term and raise it. But that's not what is implied by "pay the price" -- that's the language of shame culture, of spitefully wishing misery on someone who doesn't follow your code of sexual ethics.
NO and guess what? I am a woman.
That comment shows how smart he is and how much of valid points he has!
if you're looking at it from the perspective of common sense, "no" is kind of a dumb answer, *but* if you're a strong believer in some religion (say christianity) it makes perfect sense and is ok. it's the matter of perspective i think.
Watch it Bird Boy ...everyone has a right to their opinión ...they dont need u DEGRADING them
Why the hell no is a dumb answer? Give me a reason instead of just making stupid assumptions.
Not really... ''No'' is an answer based on beliefs and not on common sense. It's not based on facts, only on your beliefs.
Who the hell are you to determine whether my answer is based on beliefs or not? Did you go inside me? Anyone who has moral will refuse to kill children, full-stop.
Sorry, it has everything to do with it.
I'd have to agree with the no. Common sense would agree because reproduction is a part of survival.
No. A baby is a gift from God.
It holds up in a court of God and His law is greater.
lol, only if it exists.
So console yourself with the fact that people who break his laws are going to go to hell, and in the meantime render unto Caesar.
really....again especially if she got pregnant again her will!!!
the Government should not have a say in this!!
its a gift from the man who just banged you
lol, there is no only if. there is reality. You WILL face it one day whether or not you believe.
that avi is so flippin cute ^-^
no no no
Glad you agree :D
and I'm a woman too!