I find it hypocritical how so many so-called pro-lifers stop caring about a baby as soon as it's born<br />
The very same people who push for anti-abortion legislation are also the ones gutting education and child welfare.
Generalizations don't help either side.
Haha they're all busybodies who think they can shove their opinions down the throats of others.
Rude? We are NOT murdering! get a clue
for all those who abort a child, hell yes!
Um I know mother of 4 you think you're God, but you're not. You'te an imperfect human being like us all and have no right to condemn anyone. Without sin casting the first stone? I dont think so
If you're pro-murdering women who get abortions, then you're not pro-life. Get a clue, Miss Holier Than Thou.
Do you have any idea what the death penalty is used for? Last I checked, a baby did not commit a capital crime.
Do you have any idea what the fallacy of equivocation is? Or how condoning the killing of someone who took the right to life AWAY from another human being against the law factors into the scenario?
So a baby 1 second before birth is a fetus, but somehow leaving the womb makes it a baby. Tell me what the biological and/or physiological difference between the two is, aside from an umbilical chord? What do you call it when you stop a beating heart?
You need to understand that right wingers are traumatized by bullies like The entire Cast of FOX News and Rush Limbaugh. As victims of bullies they cope by telling themselves it's okay and rather than standing up to these ******** they stand behind them and join in on persecuting the same familiar targets. <br />
If pro lifers had any common sense they would direct their efforts towards improving juvenile access to contraceptives and improving the lot of single mothers and improving fair pay for women - doing these things would actually reduce the incidence of abortion. <br />
But that's not their real goal. Their real goal is to provide a loud distraction that redirects public attention away from misguided economic policies that are destroying the middle class whilst enriching the wealthy few. Ultimately that's the only thing that matters to FOX and the GOP/Tea party leadership. Everything else, yes everything is just a smokescreen obscuring this one aim.
Aww I respect your passionate support for women making this difficult decision.
I'm pro abortion. The woman should make the choice.<br />
However, I wonder how many of these woman are sex slaves.<br />
Thankfully things are changing.<br />
I agree with you, these women didn't do it because they're cold hearted , they suffer every day with the choices they made.
They're also hypocrites to their cause too. Go figure. Pro lifers don't care about life.
This is who mother of 4 girls and silence ever more admires. <br />
<a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-Conservatives-Are-Ruining-America/4026285" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a>
I'm sorry this is happening so much. There are some very vocal and tactless pro-lifers, but not all are like that. You have some good points and I hope some people will read this who need to. There is enough pain in this world. All the best to you.
In fact, it has been gender ideologues who unilaterally deny men access to basic birth control technology women have enjoyed for a half century. A male contraceptive pill has been feasible for at least a decade.<br />
What men do have is a legal onus to financially underwrite a woman’s reproductive rights, in which she legally compels a man to abide by whatever decision she makes over reproduction.
According to Dr. Elsimar Coutinho, a Brazilian endocrinologist and a human reproduction scientist, the male pill is widely used in China. However, in an interview on Brazilian TV, Dr Coutinho explains how when seeking approval for a male contraceptive pill based on natural substances extracted from cotton seeds, he was denied permission at the Budapest World Population Congress.
It's never an easy decision, yet one they continue to make. Yeah, ok.<br />
So, pro-lifers believe human babies (because a baby 1 second before birth is no different than a baby 1 second after, for example) are a human life. They are fighting for the rights of that life. You're suggesting they stop fighting to save what they believe to be lives simply because you don't like their opinions. <br />
Well, shall we really explore that line of reasoning? I think we shall. <br />
By your reasoning saying something about human rights, and the right to live, in any scenario, is wrong because it "shames" the party believed to be in the wrong. <br />
God forbid someone be shamed.
Exactly, whether the mother goes through emotional trauma is irrelevant. What's important is the life of the fetus.
Would you mind stuffing more words into my mouth? Here, have a shovel, it'll be easier. *hands jojag a shovel*
Oh, and I think I should also point out that your argument is based solely on semantics.
Depends on the stage of birth you're looking at. However a fetus is still a living being as soon as it has a heartbeat. Or do you deny stopping a heart beat should be considered killing?
it's difficult to kill an unborn child that has a heart beat ??? good luck with that idea !!!
you mentioned that it's the hardest thing for a female to decide. really?? the only way I would consider abortion is one of three ways. 1. if giving birth would be detrimental to the health of the mother. 2. rape. 3. ******. other than abortion, adoption is a better way than murdering an unborn baby with a heart beating inside the mother. clear enough for ya ???
Seeing as how you're not a woman and cannot get an abortion, your opinion on this subject means absolutely nothing. Go pass your judgment on something else.
you think I don't understand that you want to MURDER an unborn child ??? you couldn't be more wrong than you are !! so please, go stick your useless pitiless life in a toilet and flush !!
Yeah. Real mature. You can get emotional if you want, but it's not your body, so mind you own business old man. The end.
Whether the decision is difficult or causes emotional trauma is irrelevant. The fetus is destroyed and a life is lost. "Respect your fellow human beings" .... That's exactly what pro-lifers do, just instead of being adults, they are respecting the fetus. I agree it's not going to stop abortions, only laws are going to have any effect.
and going back to abortions being illegal is horrendous. Stay out WOMENS issues. I promise I'll stay out of mens.
Women's issues? The fetus is just as much the fathers as it is the mothers. It's not fair that the mother can decide the fate of a fathers child regardless of his wishes. Also, this idea that men have to stay out of women's issues is ridiculous. Perhaps male politicians and religious leaders should stay out of issues like female genital mutilation. That's a "women's issue" too isn't it?
Stop trying to justify the policing of someone else's body. Until you can carry the baby for nine months, it's not your choice. You can't force a woman to have a baby for you just because you want it. How about you men do your part and make sure you're wrapping it up until you're with a woman you know wants to have your baby. Then maybe you can have a say in the matter.
The public have a right to an opinion in human rights issues, which is what this is, not a women's issue, but a human rights issue. The fetus is not part of a woman's body, it is a separate developing life. I don't believe anyone neither male nor female should be able to chose weather a fetus can develop or be terminated. I understand that women put a million times more effort into the developing fetus than a man but it doesn't make it the woman's property. The fetus is a separate individual and should have rights.
Nope, that's not the way it works. As long as the fetus is attached to the mother and living off of her, it's part of her body. You can argue about it all you want but you have no say in it because it's not your body. All you can do is make sure you're not creating babies that the mother's not ready for.
I disagree, the fetus is a unique individual with it's own DNA. I would argue that it is attached to the mother through the placenta, but is not a part of the mother's body like a lung or kidney is.
Okay, I'll say it again. It's not your body, it's not your choice. You might as well just go think about something else. Good day.
I could say the same thing back, doesn't really get us anywhere. I feel the reasoning for my opinions are valid, and I suppose you feel the same. It was an interesting discussion either way. Good day.
Thank you. I love how these silly pro-life men act like they have the right to an opinion over the uterus of some woman they don't even know.
It's still a life, its just a developing one. If the mother chose not to have an abortion it would become an independent infant (barring a miscarriage/still birth).
they use dead fetuses to put in makeup and mcdonlds
cuz you give reason