People who don't believe in God, is this the "God" you lack belief in..... or is it this "God"?

Asked By: BluOmni 31-35, F 1 year ago

Title(s): The Dualistic God or Goddess; the Popular Western God; Lord; God; Allah

Info: Bible; Islam; Judiasm; Christianity; Wicca

Definition: A monotheistic deity depicted in the dogmas of all denominations of Christianity including Catholicism. Dualistic God is separate from the Universe. Dualistic God has a Will, emotions, needs, monitors humanity, expects humanity to do things for Him; is referred to as "Him" or "Father" or "Lord" or a male, etc.; judgmental. "Goddess" - female deity; associated with nature based religions such as Wicca; is separate from the Universe.

Proof: the Bible; faith; experience.
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Title(s): Consciousness; Quantum Field; Zero Point Field; Omniverse; Universe; All-Encompassing Macrocosmic Energetic System.

Definition: The essence permeating through all forms in a unity; not separate; non-local; creative; Omnipresent

Proof: Everything; life; experience; science

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Posted by thisisevenlessfunnow Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:13AM

Give it up.

*Your explanations of "god" are inconsistent, even with themselves. I don't have a frakking clue what you are trying to say, and I doubt very much that you do either.

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Reply by BluOmni Jan 7th, 2012 at 11:57PM

Nope. So which "God" do you not believe in. Look at above definitions.
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Reply by thisisevenlessfunnow Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:05AM

Your explanations of god (each of them) are inconsistent, even with themselves. I don't have a frakking clue what you are trying to say, and I doubt very much that you do either.
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Posted by katerina8 Jan 8th, 2012 at 7:45AM

Erm, no, Einstein. Do you realise the HUGE error in your question? Let me help you. I don't believe in any god, so I don't believe in any god. Why does making up new gods make me suddenly believe?
Can you explain what you were trying to say without copying and pasting from Wikipedia, please?

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Reply by BluOmni Jan 8th, 2012 at 8:39PM

LOL! I can't accept that I am the only one hanging out by the philosophy section of Barnes and Noble finding out about these thing! Yikes! It is a compliment to point at me and proclaim I am the leader of quantum holism or monistic idealism by alas, I can only smile, shake my head modestly and point to a huge stack of books siting in my office. It isn't a new God, btw. It is infinite...trillions upon trillions of .... Well... Just really ancient! What have I copied and pasted from Wikipedia? Another compliment! You are full of it , aren't you? Anyway, if you believe in the Universe, reality, yourself, the Sun, galaxies, DNA, bacteria, Superstrings, M-theory, etc. than you do believe in this non-duality. Just like your Dawkins.
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Posted by Vukodlak Mar 21st, 2012 at 7:33PM

I don't even get the question! Dammit, speak canine, will ya?

1st, SOMETHING must be there...would be unnatural and stupid if material level were the highest form of existence...too much "space" around and not enough sentience for logic, else.

2nd: no mortal can know the nature of a godly being, cause divine entities stand over modern wolf, man vamp and alien like the said stand over an amoeba. You think amoebas could even IMMAGINE internet and nuclear capability? nope. AND, you will NEVER hear a amoeba pray to you, cause its too small. So thats useless for human/god contacts too.

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Posted by chillsdavis Feb 13th, 2012 at 11:38AM

Tell me how I have a lack of belief - I have NO belief in this myth.

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Posted by ProvidentialParlance Feb 9th, 2012 at 8:55AM

There is no proof in anything but the Christian God. The Bible has a lot of supporting evidence. It's not all faith and "experience" and there is zero supporting exclusive evidence for the pantheistic god.

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Posted by hungsinlaan Jan 18th, 2012 at 10:21AM

There have been thousands of gods worshipped by humans, but there is no proof that any of them exist. I see no reason to accept the existence of any god you mention or any of thousands more. What are you trying to do here?

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Posted by dx2dsquared Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:41AM

I dont believe in any god, the idea that someone created the cosmos, the universe, the planet and everything on it is Ridiculous, the whole notion of god is something that our feeble mind came up with because we couldent understand how we came to be here, and it was beyond our comprehension at the time to understand evolution.
The further away we get from the dark ages where people were largely uneducated the less relavence religion has on our lives, and Im all for that

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Reply by BluOmni Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:58AM

So which definition of "God" is the "God" you do not believe in? based on your answer, I assume it is the Wester, dualistic "God."
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Reply by dx2dsquared Jan 8th, 2012 at 1:49AM

Maple 10 said it perfectly
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Posted by maple10 Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:33AM

This is easy there are no gods of any kind no matter how you define them or it, the whole concept of a god is flawed.

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Reply by BluOmni Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:56AM

Maple10 ..... These are real definitions of "God.". The reason why you are at a "loss" is because you are an atheist and probably do not go exploring philosophy of religion, etc. to learn about different definitions, right? Like Ian G. Barbour's book: "When Science Meets Religion..."? Or Max Jammer's "Einstein and Religion"? Or "God is not Dead " by Amit Goswami, PhD. (the quantum physicist)? Or "Science and Religion: Are they compatible?" by Paul Kurtz? To name a few. In my experience, once you come to a conclusion about something even if you don't know enough about it to draw to a conclusion information is no longer sought out so learning stops. Instead in atheist's case, all that happens is the focus on the word "God" and previous conclusions about "God" that the person has made stops any unbiased exploration of the material.
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Reply by dx2dsquared Jan 8th, 2012 at 1:50AM

Maple is telling you there is no god, of any type, in any form, none nada, and Im with him
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Posted by hartfire Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:08AM

I count myself as an atheist specifically because I don't accept the first definition, which is philosophically known as "theist."
I'm with your second definition. This position is philosophically known as "deist"
If you check out Dawkin's website and read carefully, you'll find that from a logical standpoint he sees the deist view as essentially atheist.... because it simply takes what is known and proven by science, and then calls it god. In other words it doesn't matter whether you call it god or not.
But for Hindus and Vedantists it matters very much and is the root and goal of their faith.

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Reply by BluOmni Jan 8th, 2012 at 12:41AM

Dawkins is an interesting character. I have never seen anything written by him where he claims that Quantum holism and monistic idealism are forms of atheism. I get the feeling that what makes him uncomfortable is the use of the word "God.". He seems to agree with the second definition of "God" but is very much against calling it "God" .... which it is. His books show that he is against the Western "God.". There is not much atheists can say about the second definition besides trying to water it down, change some words, and make it more fit for their reputation as a hard-nose-God-belief-hatin' atheist. Minus names ... The second definition is the western "God" minus the Bible, minus the ancient origins, minus the religion, minus the contradiction such as the belief that God has human emotions and yet is "God" or the belief that "God" is separate yet omnipresent, minus the anthropomorphism, minus Christ, etc. I know that makes things easier to conceptualize... LOL!
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Reply by hartfire Jan 8th, 2012 at 3:13AM

Some atheists are wholey against the use of the term god. My father would have been. He would have laughed and said,"Why bother when it's not necessary?" I think thinking of the all-one of the universe can be a really healthy way to feel reverence and awe for the origins of life and experience.
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