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DeathOfCuHullian DeathOfCuHullian 31-35, M 10 Answers Nov 29, 2012 in Motherhood

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I really hope so; with all of the crap they've been putting up with from Israel lately, they certainly deserve one!

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I'm tired of the Jews.<br />
You think they would learn from their past.

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Read some world history, countries have been lost and and rebuilt, since day one.
THE U.S. NEEDS TO STOP GIVING THEM 400 MILLION A YEAR.

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CBN update @ Israeli reaction:-<br />
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JERUSALEM, Israel -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called today's expected decision by the U.N. General Assembly "meaningless."<br />
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"This is a meaningless decision that will not change anything on the ground," Netanyahu said, adding that "there will be no establishment of a Palestinian state without a settlement that ensures the security of Israel's citizens."<br />
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Netanyahu said he will not allow "a ba<x>se for Iranian terrorism to be established in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] in addition to those that have [already] been established in Gaza and Lebanon."<br />
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"The way to peace between Jerusalem and Ramallah is in direct negotiations, without preconditions, and not in one-sided U.N. decisions. By going to the U.N., the Palestinians have violated the agreements with Israel and Israel will act accordingly," he concluded. <br />
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Speaking earlier ahead of the General Assembly vote, Netanyahu said no U.N. decision can break the thousands year-old bond between the people and the land of Israel.<br />
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Is Israel downplaying the Palestinian's statehood bid? CBN News Mideast Correspondent Julie Stahl addressed that issue and more on CBN News Channel Morning News, Nov. 29.<br />
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Israel has fought against the move in the international community, but there are only a handful of countries guaranteed to vote against it, including the United States, Canada, Micronesia and Germany.<br />
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"Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian state, but for peace to endure, Israel's security must be protected," Netanyahu said in a speech at the Menachem Begin Heritage Center on Thursday. "The Palestinians must recognize the Jewish state and they must be prepared to end the conflict with Israel once and for all."<br />
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Netanyahu said Israel cannot accept the Palestinian resolution before the General Assembly on Thursday because its devoid of the "vital interests of peace." <br />
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He said the only way to achieve a peace agreement is through valid negotiations between the parties and not through U.N. resolutions that ignore Israel's security and national interests. He added the resolution actually pushes peace backwards.<br />
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"As for the rights of the Jewish people in this land, I have a simple message for those people gathered in the General Assembly today: No decision by the U.N. can break the 4,000-year-old bond between the people of Israel and the land of Israel," Netanyahu said, referring to the Jewish people's history in the land.<br />
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Israel should specifically say that Messiah returns to fight & win Armageddon, when the armies of all nations invade Israel & attack Jerusalem - Joel 3, Zechariah 14 & Revelation 16-20 - www.BibleGateway.com

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I hope they get recognition but I worry about how future American administrations will use their membership to justify funding cuts. However you feel about the US, our funding is an important part of UN functionability. <br />
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And with the ICC I think you're right it could be a step forward. I know there is a lot of skepticism about it as a body because it's only opened cases in Africa. The prosecutors decision to pursue a case in Kenya, while the US was openly acknowledging using torture in two wars and just following the Israel-Lebanon conflict I think was particularly damning in the eyes of some people around the world.<br />
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I don't know how much you know about the history of the ICC but after Afghanistan joined the Bush administration pushed a law through congress saying that any charges brought against US citizens working for the Govt in member countries (we're not a member but legally it's judged by where the offense occurs) and any attempts at arrest would be seen as an act of aggression against the US. As such we would pull all funding from participating nations, and would use "whatever means necessary" to recover American citizens, who were under this law defined as POWs, not just incarcerated citizens abroad (HUGE legal distinction). As such, we effectively said that any attempt to hold our citizenry to the laws of the ICC would lead to the courts total delegitimization. Our allies would hate us for it, but realism would probably win out over judicial soveriegnty were such a scenario to occur.<br />
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Not that Israel has the same clout, but this just serves as an example of how delicate a situation the ICC is in. If it wants charges to mean anything, it needs the enforcement capacity of a true court, and with Israel that will mean that countries will have to CONTINUOUSLY go against the pressure of the US.<br />
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Ok long shpeel, but really I find this stuff fascinating.

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Nice post thanks :)

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Only five members of the UN have any real influence.

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Hmmm...perhaps.

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Let's hope so, they deserve it.

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