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righteouschica righteouschica 18-21, F 13 Answers Nov 18, 2012 in Politics

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So far this secession movement is a lot of smoke with no real fire. In essence, it is a protest movement intended to put the Obama administration on notice that he and the Democrats in the Senate do NOT enjoy a mandate and face considerable grass roots opposition to their progressive agenda.



There are a lot of individuals signing "Secession Petitions" on the White House website that promises to respond after a petition reaches 25,000 signatures. Last I heard, over 40 states had people submit such petitions and several had exceeded the 25 K hurdle, including Texas and Florida.



That, however, is not how secession works. The Constitution does not discuss secession, does not grant the states that power, nor does it prohibit secession. Therefore, it would seem that the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution applies, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people." The state government, most likely both houses of its legislature would likely have to pass a secession Amendment to the state constitution at which point the state would then submit a secession petition or notice to the US Government.



It is my opinion that that is all it should take and there should be no specific US Government response other than "Thanks, goodbye." However, President Lincoln set a precedent with the Civil War when he went to war to "save the Union."



Some constitutional scholars say that as a result of that act, no state can now secede without the permission or authorization of the US Congress with a bill signed into law by the president, or possibly even an Amendment to the Constitution.



I do not subscribe to that in as much as admission of a state to the union is by a legislative vote of congress, signed by the president, and does not require a constitutional amendment. If a state is admitted to the union in response to a petition by the proposed state that is ratified by Congress, then secession should be in accord with a similar procedure.



As of now, no state has even begun the process of considering secession and it is unlikely that any will do so over the recent election.

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Very scholarly and rational analysis - But completely wasted on this reactionary pseudo-political crap.

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u a lawyer or sumthin ? ;o

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No. Just a responsible citizen.

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Thanks for the compliment, I think. Reactionary? Pseudo-political? That makes no sense.

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It means they have a moron for a governor, in this case, Rick Perry

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It means Texas wants to have a civil war with the rest of the US, I guess...because they are not going to be allowed to secede....just as the Southern states were not allowed to secede. They certainly do have some irresponsible state government down there...

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and thats how civil wars starts !!

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You leave, become your own country. No state government actually wants to do this, but there have been petitions circulated that got a few thousand signatures, in the context of populations numbering millions.

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You have had similar experiences in Canada with the issue of Quebec separatism.

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true

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Secede means drop out of the Union and become you're own separate entity independent of the UNITED States. Its what the Southern state did in the civil,war.

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ceceed is a word meaning to break off from a central form of government, declare independence and form its own solitary nation. Dont worry this wont happen again. The states just want to be heard about how they are unhappy with the president.

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It means they don't want to be part of the United States any more, and don't want to be under Federal US law.

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