That would probably have to be that Jesus wasn't actually born on Christmas and that Christmas is taken more of it's traditions from the PAGANS than from Christians.
It has been proven through astronomy that the wise men found the baby Jesus on Dec. 25. Watch "The Star of Bethelem." Astronomy doesn't lie.
Or to make it even stronger. Large group of historians doubt Christ actually existed in the way described in the gospels. The gospels are mostly fiction.
so true wimnj and remember, the "bible" was written by man... who knows what truly is fiction and what isn't.
Since no one really knew when Jesus was born the Church Evented Christmas Day to help convert the pagans. Their biggest festival was the Winter Solstace. They celebrate the whole week with the biggest part being in the middle of the week which would around the 25th of December. Hence we have Christmas when we do.
Astromy can't lie ,but the Calender can. The calender has been changed sever time in the past 2000 years so they can not be sure about. When the U.K and their colonies adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752, by which time it was necessary to correct by 11 days. Wednesday, 2 September 1752 was followed by Thursday, 14 September 1752.
Watch the video.
LOL. They are eyewitness accounts. Archaeology has verified much of the Bible and most historians agree with the historical acconts of the Bible such as the existence of Jesus Christ.
The Iliad also contains verifiable archaeological data and historical accounts. Do you also worship Zeus?
Are these the same that argue that earth is flat and that dinosaurs coexisted with humans? LOL@U troll :)
Astronomy doesn't lie but TV shows do - big time
The Bible was put together by a group of Catholics that sat down and decided which writings from their vault to include in the book, so it's only as good as the people who wrote it...read the news!
Yea, so what.
The three wise men or 3 kings are the 3 stars in orion's belt. The star is sirius or the dog star. The entire christian story of christ's birth is a metaphor using astrology to describe the importance of the winter solstice. I suggest you youtube "Zeitgeist: Religion, the greatest story ever sold"
THANK YOU! i am a pagan and i have tons of friends that are christian but it really bugs me to think that they celebrate there gods bday on a day thats not even CLOSE to his real bday and that holiday did come from us! glad to see someone who actually mentions that! :D
America was not founded as a christian nation. Most of the founding fathers were agnostic, deist or atheist. Also, there is more evidence pertaining to the historicity of christ pointing to the fact that he never existed than there is evidence that he walked the face of the earth.
Then why does the Constitution base it's logic critically on, "...that all men where endowed by their Creator..."
You eed to read the original writings and the bios of the founding fathers before you make such a foolish statement and call it historical fact.....Most were Christian...by their own words.
I have I suggest you re read them. Why not started with Thomas Paine's Common Sense the man I might add who was given credit as being the "father of the american revolution".
look up the definitions of agnosticism and deism and you tell me. I've done my research.
When trying to break away from a monarchy where only certain people have rights it was necessary to state that ALL individuals have equal rights. "Under god" wasn't even added to the pledge of allegiance until october 1892.
Article 11 of the treaty of tripoli george washington stated in hid own words that "the government of the united states of america was not founded in any sense on christian values". This is just one example. People took the rhetoric as literal and assumed america was a christian nation. Similarly to the way people took hebrew poetry, allegory and fables as gospel.
When the Egyptians destroyed Libya in the 13th century B.C. they took 13,230 penises of the conquered enemies as trophies.
OMG they took the slongs? What a strange trophy. Interesting what they did in those days.
bad times had by all...
Now that IS interesting
That Ronald Reagan was the worst president the US ever had. Most of the mess we are in now can be related to him and his clone George W Bush.
Huh? well youre entitled to state that opinion in English
The worst? OMG Where did I put the hip waders?
The first in fact to bury this country in debt, which was carried through to the term of Bush sr, then Clinton was wiping away their mistakes and here come another Reagan boy Bush jr, that completely sold our *** to China. Yes, the worst because the idiots legacy lived on through other presidential nightmares.
Hitler suffered from constipation.
Well THAT explains all the goose-stepping...
He actually had a gas problem too that he was really embarassed about, so he hired a "doctor" who became famous from helping celebrities but really didn't know what he was doing. He gave Hitler daily injections of what was essentially meth and that's why he was completely insane by the time WW2 ended.
Christopher Columbus didn't discover America. He was a little too far South for that. And there were already people here anyway.
where he did land....in the years of his occupation over 600,000 natives died due to disease, torture, slave labor and murder.
The american indians were free before greed built our country.
That before prohibition there was no income tax.
Income tax started well before prohibition, the revenue act of 1861 was the start of the government legacy of leaning on people and taking their money, by the time prohibition rolled around the mob took the governments lesson to heart and imposed taxes of their own. Which angered the crooked government because they wanted all the money to blow on NOTHING, so they systematically wiped out the mob
That in medieval Italy a man could not kiss an unmarried woman. If he was caught during the kiss he would have to marry her whether he liked it or not.
I am pretty sure that this isn't true, especially since in Medieval Europe only a small minority of the population actually married. Marriage was a contract to distribute property between partners/families. If you didn't have property or only very little property there was no reason to marry. Marriage also didn't have anything to do with monogamy either, that is a 16/17th century invention.
that girl use to be able to marry at any age but now the laws are a ll gay and **** and we have to wait
most girls didn't choose to marry at age 12, they were forced to marry, like they still do in some moslim coutries, please get your facts right and don't glorify the past
the earth is round! not flat!
Ummmm, yea right! People and their crazy idea's, get a life...round hahahahaha
no really it is round!!! I didn't fall off when i traveled past the horizon!
That Einstein proved that it is possible to go back in time. I for one would like to START OVER!
Einstein also said that it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, which has been disproven :P He discovered a lot of awesome things, but he wasn't right about everything.
I believe no speed is known faster than that of light.
I think really time is faster than light isn't it? How do you measure it?
Any event related to attacking the USA as Pear Harbour, 9/11, etc
Jesus rose from the dead. You have a resurrection and deity badassery rolled into one.
You should get the book, "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict," by Josh McDowell.
I am still waiting to see some facts on this one.
viperguru, I already put a book reference. Maybe you should so something really crazy, and read it?
Galileo's observations of Venus that supported a Sun-centered solar system rather than the Earth-centered solar system previously imagined by scholars.
WELL I HAVE A FEW
1.IT TOOK UNTIL 1927 TO INVENT SLICES BREAD!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY
2.In ancient Rome the punishment for killing one’s father was to be drowned in a sack along with a viper, a dog, and a rooster
3.Alexander the Great invented a spying technique still used today: he had his soldiers write letters home, which he then intercepted and read to discover who was against him.
4.When anaesthetic was used for the first time in childbirth in 1847, the mother was so amazed and relieved at how painless the birth was that she named her child Anaesthesia.
5.The last time a cavalry charge was used in war was in the Second World War. A mongolian cavalry division charged against a German infantry division – the result? Not one German was killed and 2,000 of the cavalry were.
6.Gorgias of Epirus (3rd century BC), a Greek sophist, was born in his dead mother’s coffin! Pallbearers heard him crying out as they carried his mother’s coffin to the grave.
TOP 6 IS ENOUGH I THINK
GOD IS NOT DEAD
True! You cant kill an imaginary being.
I learned long ago never to argue with a fool.
The bible: A fools says in his heart there is no God
The phrase, "Your name is mud" was derived from the doctor who treated Abraham Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth. Evidently, Booth had an injured leg from fleeing the theatre after he shot Lincoln. He stumbled across a house belonging to a Dr. Mud, who had no idea at the time what had just occurred. He treated Booth for his injured leg, and Booth went on his way.
Later, of course Booth was captured and Dr. Mud was hanged, I believe, for treating him although he had no idea Booth assassinated the president. This is how the phrase, "Your name is Mud" and its negative connotation came to be.
Mudd wasn't hanged and he may have known Booth beforehand and been in on or at least aware of the conspiricy
Thank you for that, CFOM. I was not aware of that.
Just in general how exaggerations, misinterpretations, and flat-out lies can snowball into history. :)
That Socrates may have never existed.
Interesting thought--as far as I remember, he was a man who more or less believed that literacy was an abomination, so all we have to go on concerning him is Plato, who was the kind to make things up to make a point (e.g. Atlantis). :)