The child silently screams, backs away, and shields itself. It tries with all it's might to stay alive. It experiences pain and get's slowly ripped limb from limb.<br />
.........but it's your body.
That's not what happens during an abortion, do your research
I see from your posts on this thread that you are an expert on abortion! I would like to see your sources Miss Months .
Actually, in Late Term Abortion, which is what the question asked, what Puck describes is exactly what happens. The central nervous system of the fetus is fairly well complete by 16 weeks, the fetus after that point appears to be capable of experiencing pain and some believe that the fetus is self-aware at that point -- in other words, the fetus is a human being.
In the case of rape, there is no good reason why a woman should wait more than 16 weeks to choose to abort the fetus, if they are going to do so. Considering that abortion has been legal and available throughout the united states for a long time, I can think of no good excuse why late term abortion is necessary for anything other than to save the life of the mother.
I could not agree more. Sick ****. Just because it's legal to kill an unborn child 4 months + along does not mean that the little one will not feel fear and pain as it's ripped apart. There is no excuse for late term abortion (short of the life of the mother). Partial birth abortion more sick ****. Didn't our fearless leader support that when he was an Illinois State Senator.
Yes, Dave, He did. He also supported leaving survivors to die, should the abortion fail. He calls a newborn a "fetus outside the womb".
**They can fail with saline abortions
I believe you should do your research instead of telling others to do so. In "Late Term Abortion," which is what Puck asked about, the procedure is actually called "Intact Dialation and Extraction (D&E)." The baby's body is manipulated by the doctor from outside until the head is at the internal opening to the vaginal canal. The Cervix is then dilated (opened). Special forceps are used to grasp the head of the baby and the head is then pulled out until the neck is exposed. When done "right" the surgeon cuts the baby's spinal cord at the base of the neck, instantly killing the child. Unfortunately, this is not always done or done correctly. In some cases the baby is dismembered piece by piece while still partly within the vaginal canal, enabling the pieces to be extracted and disposed of.
Because the central nervous system of a fetus is basically complete at 20 to 24 weeks after conception, the baby is capable of experience both pain and fear after that time. Late term abortions using the intact D&E procedure are performed from about 24 weeks up to full term at 9 months.
If you do not believe what I am telling you then Google it. You cannot believe everything your teachers taught you.
I should also have said that in some places, instead of turning the child and extracting the head, they extract feet first until just before the head is out of the vaginal canal, then pierce the neck with forceps or scissors. Alternately, they may dismember the baby starting with the feet. If the spinal cord has been properly segmented, the child experiences only limited pain and fear as death is fairly rapid. However, if the doctor fails to sever the cord properly, the child can feel the pain and fear until he or she is dead.
Whether the doctor extracts head first of feet first is determined largely by the laws in the state where the abortion is being performed. Some states define a live birth as when the head of a living child exits the lower vaginal opening. In other states, it is not considered a "live birth" until the child has been totally delivered alive.
After a few weeks the embryo develops a heart beat. At this point the embryo is a living thing and terminating it is considered taking a life.
False. Lots of living things don't have heartbeats, and lots of things with heartbeats have little to no moral value. Earthworms have heartbeats, but terminating an earthworm is not immoral.
>>So a human child has no more intrinsic value than an earthworm?!?<<
Did I say that? No. Thanks for showing us all that you can't actually read and respond to what other people have to say, but have to make **** up to attribute falsely to them.
>>My rejoinder expressed nothing more than the logical conclusion of the example you proffered. <<
Thank you proving you know nothing about logic. I teach logic for a living, and your straw man fallacy is just that - a fallacy. It does not logically follow from anything that I have said. It's just you making **** up because you have no good responses to my REAL arguments. So you make up ****** arguments of your own and respond to those, instead. You can't actually respond rationally to what I ACTUALLY SAY, so you just say stuff for me and respond to that. You are pathetic.
What happens is, the doctors get paid for every abortion they do...even after the baby is waaayyyy past the fetal age that it can be aborted before, doctors will do it anyways under the radar so they can get paid. I think people will should wake up and look at the reality. They should see a late term abortion, and how the doctor pulls out the baby feet first and jam a hammer into the back of its neck before the head comes out......because it's only officially "born" when the head comes out. They should see the buckets full of tiny little babies that get killed in a bloody mess in a back room of an abortion clinic. Human kind disgusts me.
The kids fully developed hungry living on streets like stray dogs sometimes sexually abused wont disgust u?
All of that is false, and you have no evidence to back any of it up. It's pure propaganda. Goebbels would be proud of you.
Well a baby doesn't have thought till months and months into the pregnancy. In the first three-four months the child has no thought and there for isn't human yet. After a longer period of time the fetus begins to think, feel and know. After that I do feel it's not exactly right to abort but in some cases it's completely reasonable. Like let's say the child has a really bad retardation or is mentally incapable or going to be in really bad pain. A friend of mine was raped and had the child, the baby is a constant reminder of the pain she went through, in a lot of cases keeping the baby as a rape victim can case more mental harm to the mother, in others, though, it can help the mother see good coming from a bad experience and it makes it easier. It's a very touchy subject.
No becuz of the inconvenience it would bring to child.... we women can love a dozen kids simultaneously but its also the right of every being to be protected in every way
It's not a life until months and months into the pregnancy. It's not even a human until much later. The fetus has no life, it's not a living child, it's no bigger than a grain of rice, has no thought, feels no pain and doesn't have emotion. It's not alive and there for isn't murder.
I'm saying that if the child is going to be in pain and miserable the whole time it's on the earth then it is cruel and in humane to make it have to live through that pain.
It is not a living child till it gains thought. Till then it is a tiny lump of flesh that has no thought, emotion or feeling. And that is what makes a human alive, not a heart beat. I'm sorry but life doesn't start at conception, development starts at conception.
No, not dead, they aren't developed yet. They could be humans one day but stopping the process of growth before it gets thought, feelings and emotion doesn't make it murder.
It's not human yet! It isn't human till its past the stage of being a fetus. When it is a fetus it is not alive in the sense that we are alive. That's literally like saying that killing yeast to make bread should be illegal. Your logic is completely flawed. They aren't alive. They are developing into something that one day could be alive but it isn't yet
PERSONAL OPINION here.. <br />
I have had an abortion.. In my mind. If the fetus could have survived outside of me.. It was too late to have an abortion. That's why i could never have a late term abortion.
No I have not. But I feel I must say - I had an abortion not because the child inconvenienced me, not even because it would be severely disabled.. But because I was in a relationship that I thought would be the death of me, and I didn't want to bring that child into the relationship for him to hurt as well.
U r so brave....and am passing thru the same I dont know what would I choose but
There are many valid reasons to abort a fetus. Which I remind you is NOT a baby and is NOT alive. I'm sorry but if my child was going to have a painful disability or if I was put into the situation where that child would be hurt or in pain I would not have the baby, for its sake, not my inconvenience!
Thank you very much. He ended 2 of my pregnancies himself. With a baseball bat. I was afraid that if he found out I was pregnant again, he would end me, and the baby. It was too risky.
Giving a life......sum one also gave a life to the kid I saw on footpath outside the store who begs during the day and dont know wat happens to him in night? Is that life???
I would have absolutely given my life, if I knew he or she would be safe.. But he would have done the same things to the baby that he did to me. or worse. The things he said he would do were disgusting.
Excuse me but as someone who has experienced physically abused, both sexual or not, I would but rather abort my lifeless fetus than have then go through any thing like what I have. Good on her, she did the right thing.
I've been abused both physically beaten and sexually abused, if my child was doomed to have the same thing happen to them, I'd much rather abort than see that happen to them
Thank you Murphis.
Maxximiliann .. Check your messages.. I wasn't comfortable answering that question here.
Until you've been through what she has you have no right to even comment on her actions. She did the right thing. Did you ever stop to think that it would of broken her heart to have to end the chance of her having a baby? She was protecting the fetus by doing what she did, it was brave and good on her.
It's much easier to think rationally when you aren't being beaten half to death, and aren't having a gun held to your head. Options aren't quite so clear when someone is telling you that if you get pregnant they might let you have the child so that you could watch it be tortured..or they might take it from you.. Because they hold that kind of power of you.
If I could go back and change things, I absolutely would. That was my last chance to have a biological child. I will never get that opportunity again. Things that happen can't be undone.
They're all ok. Any abortion the mother desires is ok.
What makes you think I have no problem with infanticide? I said, and I quote "Any ABORTION the mother desires is ok." (emphasis added) Infanticide is not abortion.
You should change your login name to "straw man fallacy" because it's clearly the only argument you've got.
>>You should familiarize yourself with a dictionary for infanticide is DEFINED as "the act of killing a baby." So, yes, each time you aborted your innocent children you committed infanticide ...<<
No, you haven't. An 8 week old embryo is not a baby. Even the Bible doesn't acknowledge that something is a baby until it is born, or until quickening, at then very earliest, and over 88% of abortions occur long before quickening. Thus, no baby is killed. Thus, it is not infanticide.
>>And you wonder why people mistrust and/or think you atheists are inhuman ...<<
what makes you think I'm an atheist?
Oh, wait, right . . . you're Mr. Straw Man Fallacy
Exodus clearly says exactly the opposite - that miscarriages are NOT to be mourned and that no one can be executed for causing a woman to miscarry. In fact, if the pregnancy is ended before quickening. Did you even READ Exodus 21:22? It clearly does not say what you say it does. It does not say that anyone shall be put to death for causing a miscarriage. And the rest of Exodus says exactly the opposite.
I just found this and most people haven't responded for over a year. I just wanted to post and say the information listed below is incorrect for anyone who is coming here for support if they are considering a late term abortion. I know 100% that isn't the procedure because I have endured one myself. A medicine is injected into a woman's abdomen where the baby is laying. They find the baby's heart beat and injects it. This doesn't hurt the fetus.<br />
I agree even myself experiencing this I wouldn't ever want to do it again. It's too emotionally draining but after they declare the fetus heartbeat is gone. They send you home. You then return the second day and you are induced into labor. Once ready you deliver the fetus but you are put under for this part of the procedure.<br />
It does seem harsh but until you have been in that persona shoes please try to be more open-minded.
Call it as you wish. This is supposed to be a supportive website. You don't have to agree, I understand this is a sensitive subject, but unless you have been through this you would never understand the magnitude of depth with such a decision. You can make negative degrading comments towards me, you can give your opinion that's purely based on ignorance ... But until you have a vagina you will NEVER be able to fully understand why someone might chose this route. You don't know someone's story.
And I've just went and read some of your posts and stories. I am open-minded. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. Whatever happen to God knowing all ahead of time? Hasn't he already planned this life for you every step of the way? Awful decisions and experiences make you grow, they make you appreciate privileges in life. God already knew I was going to do this way before I was born. He even knew this conversation we were going to have.
He has forgiven me! So why can't you be God-like and forgive me too. I have sinned plenty of times in my life. Which I'm sure you have as well, because no one is Jesus except for Jesus.
And all sins are equal whether it's telling a little white lie, or you cheating on your wife. So you have no right to judge me or anyone else so harshly. Only God can judge me and he has already forgiven me.
Let me guess being gay is wrong too...
I'm honestly not trying to start a nasty debate but if you pull the murder card or the Christianity card. You will not win this battle.
God is a living god. And until you have a vagina and a uterus you will never understand.
I wish for you to become more educated and open minded during this new year.
I understand ,i was about to go thru that due to possibility of giving birth to a child with certain issues that also meant a living dead.and i completely understand the pain of decision making thats huge as compared to physical challenges.and someone who go thru this and still walk among the rest picking up the courage to go on.but again you would only know it once have to be standing right there only than you know and sense how mean it is to judge people and blamethem.maybe its the easiest thing to do for lotts of ppl.
Abortion is not murder.
Murder is the unjust or illegal killing of one person by another. A fetus is human, but is not a person. Moreover, when a woman chooses to cease sharing her organs with a fetus, she has not killed it UNJUSTLY or ILLEGALLY.
Thus, abortion is not murder