If I remember correctly, Christmas actually derives from a Pagan holiday.

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And Santa is Satan.

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same reason people often celebrate their birthday on days that aren't actually their birthday - convenience - plus it was part of a cunning PR trick the Christians played on the declining Pagans

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The difference is no one knows when Jesus was born or if he even existed.

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i think he existed and was a kind of perfect schizophrenic genius - i just doubt he rose from the dead

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i also think most historians believe him to have lived, though exactly how, on that there is no consensus

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the dogmatic metaphysical claims of religion are a red herring - Jesus is important to Western civilisation because for us, he is the most influential and important person ever to have been born in all history - and although i think he was real, if he was a complete fabrication, well that hardly lessons his importance - a lie speaks volumes and a lie so rich in symbolism that lives for millennia can only persist because it's important and still not understood

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for starters there is no Enlightenment, no Liberal Humanism without Jesus - the idea of Human Rights in the West begins with Jesus

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this is the cultural truth behind the metaphysical claim that 'he dies for our sins'

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Are you a bible scholar?

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no, just a helpless psychologist

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but comparative religion fascinates me

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It's interesting.

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It goes back to pagan holidays which go back to Adam and Eve sinning. The days got shorter, they thought they were dying, that there would be no more light. They realized they weren't so the next year it became a holiday. Pagans copied and Christians copied them to attract them to their religion.- source gimara I believe

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Why deal in facts when a little invention goes a very long way.

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Lies, all lies.

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