"Monotheists believe that the condensed matter responsible for the big bang had a cause, whereas Atheists believe it has existed forever since it is infinite."<br />
That's simply not true. Atheists have all sorts of varying ideas about the origin of the universe, as do religious people.
What on earth gave you the impression that I thought otherwise? Do you mean monotheist and "religious" don't mean the same thing? Either way, doesn't address my point -- there is no consensus among atheists as to the origins of the universe.
"Atheism" is a rejection of a personal, sentient god (at least that's what most people who call themselves atheists mean by it) -- the question of overlap with Deism is an arguable one. The theory that the universe was brought into existence by some force or other is entirely compatible with that kind of atheism, as long as whatever that force was it wasn't the action of a sentient being.
Same place they always are, sitting on the fence :P But seriously, I think the distinction between agnosticism and atheism is largely a semantic one based on a misinterpretation of the nature of knowledge. Atheists claim "we can't know if there's a god or not, so we see no reason to believe" while agnostics claim "we can't know if there's a god or not, so we plead ignorance".
i hope "ignorance" is not supposed to be derogatory
The phrase "to plead ignorance" means "to claim not to know something".
Quote Albert Einstein , Science without religion is Lame , Religion without science is Blind .<br />
Try this link , http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm <br />
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Einstein is a Pantheist.<br />
much like the usual pantheists i've talk to they never classify themselves at such<br />
Likewise i'm an agnostic but my views are somewhat parallel to pantheism.<br />
IMO Pantheism is actually one of the most logical choices for philosophy after Agnosticism<br />
Ironically not choosing sides could land you on both those belief systems<br />
just want to post this link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qngieHWZXcM
Who cares? If Einstein were alive and one asked him to ob<x>jectively prove whatever his deity beliefs were, he would admit he could not. Puts him in the same boat as any other possible theist deist whatever. Appealing to authority is just that...an appeal. Who cares?
If einstein was alive he would ignore or laugh at people who are trying to "win" him.
Looks like both atheists and theists would feel better if they could recruit good old Albert in their camp. Isn't this just another clear case of committing a fallacy named appeal to authority?
I think what it trying to be conveyed is that people who believe in God are typically more apt to achieve greatness than those who have no strong beliefs in anything at all.
Atheism is system of beliefs and it can be as strong as any other beliefs. But you are right to some degree. Greatness is never an individual achievement and societies were always more "apt" to recognize greatness if the ruling system of belief wasn't questioned by whoever wanted to say something important.
The more he discovered the more his faith grew. We only know a tiny portion of what is out there for ex sea, body, universe..Etc.
You don't need some circuitous scientific justification to prove Einstein believed in a God--he said he did. Matter closed. Doesn't mean he was correct, though.
He was agnostic.
I beg your pardon sir , Einstein was german not jewish .
Germans can't be agnostic?
Agnostic is defined as Not Knowing , unsure , theroy / Einstein knew quite a bit .
Or for matter to go about ordering itself into star systems, stars, planets, life. Like where did all those physical laws come from that govern the universe? How did they just magically appear?
Most of the smartest minds in history have a belief in a higher being, the people who today run our world, have a belief in a higher being, yet the plebs of society who call themselves atheists, know better above all of them, ofcourse..
Well, that proves it. I'm converted.
Nope, that did it. If the kind of geniuses who become world leaders are religious, clearly atheism must be wrong.
PervertedPope, he's being a smug ****, stupidity cannot be cured, ignore it.
I was talking to the other guy you were talking to actually, but your reply's show your true colours.
@pervertedpope - tsktsktsk... you give atheism a bad name.
@projectpheonix: citing names of people who made breakthroughs doesn't exactly aid proof