Only societies that dislike women and consider them of less worth than men operate that way.
It works in this society and we do not dislike women. Guess that is the exception to your 'rule'?
No, because you absolutely dislike women. Whether or not you choose to admit it is another issue entirely.
I do? Wow. So you dislike the human race? I mean, whether you admit it or not?
Nope. Only certainly individuals, and I admit it freely.
I see. Well I do not dislike women. Despite your protestations.
Naught to do with me either way.
Excellent. Then you are retracting your assumption of all men?
No, I'm saying that if men who believe only women should be beaten want to pretend they don't dislike women, they're free to pretend that. It's none of my business.
Oh I see. When did we jump to beating women?
"Why is it ok for men to discipline women but women aren't allowed to discipline men, in society ?" Taken to its most basic level.
I do not view that as the 'basic level' I think the basic level is in the actual statement. For you to make the leap that men hate women and they 'beat' them shows a hatred of all men on your part. So are you an admitted misandrist?
Nope, not at all. Not all men believe it's okay to only "discipline" women, thank goodness. This question IS over a year old. Most of us have moved on.
Well I would hope that all men who discipline women only discipline them. To proceed to abuse is another matter.i do not share your hope that men choose to abuse instead of discipline.
Yes it is a year old. So what?
So what difference does it make to you what I think ?
I was simply pointing out that you overstated your argument. But debate is healthy in any case.
I simply stated what I believe to be so. Only in societies that don't value women are women denied the adult status that men enjoy, and subject to "discipline", while prohibited from disciplining men. I still believe that.
Then you disagree with the entire world.
Wouldn't be the first time. ;)
And yet, I've managed to live in a world that believes as I do, ergo not the ENTIRE world. Interesting avatar.
Who's society? In mine men and women are equally open to censure.
I'm not unaware of the troubles in other societies. The mother goddess was worshiped throughout history and I have a theory.
Pryor to the institution of marriage and monogamy only the mothers line mattered as paternity was rather ambiguous. Hence, a matriarchal society was standard.
The men became jealous.
Some cave man came along and thought hey I'm stronger than a woman and I should be in charge. I will no longer worship a woman. From this point on God is a man. Thus began the patriarchal society and the change from a matriarchal society.
In order to be in charge men must be feared or respected. Women must be kept helpless and ignorant. My mother was a single mom until I was 17. You cannot fear or respect a man when he's not around to enforce it. My mom fixed her own car, paid the rent, and made dinner. She disciplined us and dried our tears by herself. No dire warnings about dad coming home.
The age of man has deluded some women into thinking we would not survive without the care of a man. Having had the opportunity to speak to a retired Israeli soldier.... She was only 28 and already retired from duty. She wore a flowered dress and spoke with knowledge on many subjects. She was beautiful and could have been a model... instead she was trained for war and had seen combat. We don't need men to take care of us....but we do need them to make more people. And men don't need women but for the same reason.
I care as much for gender rules as I do for race. I believe all people bring a certain spice to the dish.
Lol what a worthless society you exist in honey you need to feel the lick of the belt, you'd submit easily to any real man, not the feminised cast related boys in your world
Cause it just seems to work better that way. I'm a woman and it may sound bad me saying this but, men are natural leaders and us women are naturally submissive. And a leader needs to sometimes reinforce his authority. Now there's a BIG difference between caring discipline and beating or abuse. My husband loves me and we respect in other immensely, we just happen to know our roles and submit to our true natures as man and woman.
I accept your opinion but have to disagree: Men mostly did a horrible job at leading in society and I think women need to (and will) be in charge in relationships and in society in the future. Though, there may be exceptions, just like your relationship!
Perhaps we might have a better society if women did discipline their men more!<br />
Men never grow up, they are always little boys in a big mans body.<br />
Women have two choices with the men in their lives:<br />
First, treat them like the child they are and keep them on the straight and narrow with firm discipline, or<br />
Second, allow them to act like a spoilt brat and walk all over you.<br />
The question I would like to ask (to sane and reasonable women) which would you prefer? A man who knew his place and treated you like a goddess or a "macho" man who thought you were his property and were put on earth to serve him and have his babies?<br />
And also what price would you be willing to pay for your choice??
We do have a certain section of society that believe the woman should discipline the men. Otherwise the Dominatrix would be out of a job.
Who leads and who doesn't will only be resolved on a one to one basis.
Well it is what it is. Men were mostly the leaders, and women the followers. It is just the fabric of society.
Because men are the superior of woman in society
what society are you living in? here it is quite the opposite, I woman can spend every dime I have and has broken no law
Perhaps the problem is you only THINK every dime belongs to you.
You haven't seen a Jewish household in action, have you?
What do you mean?
It is certainly not equitable. What amazes me is the fact that women are treated abysmally in the Middle East, Africa and Asia, and yet American feminists remain silent over the plight of their sisters in these foreign lands.
Because men don't know when women are disciplining them.
I have an idea actually... Emotions... From my personal life experience I noticed that most men have more explosive emotions than women, while it's true that women are educated to express emotion all the time while men are educated to be soulless machines devoid of any traces of emotion, men are ironically the ones that have stronger emotions and these emotions are not good ones such as love... Men are by their very nature prideful beings that are easily offended and easily get angry and that's exactly what makes a man attempt to be selfless, emotionless, competitive, strong, fearsome and etc... Those emotions evolved into the macho culture you know much like how quarks evolved into the very first hadrons... Understanding emotion is key to understanding society that's what I think...
Where do you live? It certainly isn't generally regarded as OK for men to discipline women or vice versa in western society and both parents and/or teachers of both genders are, or have, usually been allowed to discipline their children or pupils. Where do you get the idea that men disciplining women but not the other way around is generally regarded as a social norm from? It definitely isn't in most places these days. A hundred years ago maybe.
I don't get this either! Many men might need some firm discipline from their wifes and girlfriends, they just don't openly admit it. Maybe this seems unusual at first, but I think many marriages could be saved, if the husband has to go to sleep with a sore butt now and then. A man's place is over a woman's knees!
Men should be disciplined and put in diapers
what are you referring to by discipline? and by the way. This is idiocy at its best. People who are trying to discipline (in other words change) others. Are you know exactly what up in the head.
That's not true for all societies.
True, just the functioning ones.
There may be people that think this discipline in either direction is okay but it is not. It is a myth perpetrated a few and not upheld by the many.
I honestly wish I knew!