Why is Judas accepted as an evil betrayer rather than revered as a pivotal player in the salvation of Christians?
OK, let's see if I can make this MORE SIMPLE. God decided to sacrifice his son on a physical level. People and events were required to cause this to happen. Why is the person who gave Jesus over (in order to make this sacrifice) seen as evil and wrong for doing so?
13 Answers to "Why is Judas accepted as an evil betrayer rather than revered as a pivotal player in the salvation of Christians?"
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Why isn't Hitler revered as the pivotal pla
yer in the creation of a zionist state by the those living in Israel today? Because both these type of questions are insane. Like (2)
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I'm sorry you are so shallow and hateful.....
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infpisme, I'm confused about your conclusion. ianrockwell simply addressed the logic of your question by applying the same logic in a different context. How can you draw conclusions about his character from that?Like (1)
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Judas's is considered an evil betrayer for more than just the betrayal of Jesus. Judas was the teasurer and loved money (John 13:29). That is why Judas asked Jesus why the expensive ointment that Mary Magdeline poured upon Jesus's feet was not sold for money to help the poor (John 12:3-5). It was not Judas's concern for the poor, it was his concern for more money that made him ask that question (John 12:3-7). Jesus told Judas that Mary was preparing him for his burial. Judas had taken his eyes off of Jesus and placed them on the money bag, and he was stealing from the money bag. Judas's greed was so great that he went to the chief priests and asked them how much would they pay for Judas to deliver Jesus into their hands (Matt 26:14-16). Judas also became possessed by Satan (John 13:27). Now if Judas Iscariot was a true follower of Jesus then he could not have been possessed by Satan, because where the light of God is there is no darkness. Satan already had a stronghold within Judas, which was greed this allowed Satan access to Judas. The greed, thievery, possession by Satan, and the betrayal of Jesus is the reasons Judas is not revered. It is not common among people to honor thieves, so why would Judas be any different.
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I appreciate your response.
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Foreknowledge does not mean preordained.
To use a stupid analogy, in chess I often anticipate the move my opponent will make, make best use of it. I don't make them move, I just use it.
So to betray anyone is always wrong. If Judas hadn't done it, it was a matter of time before the authorities killed him. To turn acts of evil into good doesn't make those acts necessary or good.Like (1)
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I'm leaning toward a "killing the messenger" kind of spirit with Judas.... And still, if not him then someone else... but was this "betrayal" necessary for the will of God to be played out? Wasn't he the right choice?
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Abstraction, are you implying there was another scenario in god's master plan, according to which Judas behaved nicely? And then what, a happy ending? where does 'salvation' come from without the sacrifice motif?Like (1)
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as I remember it he sold out Jesus for one thing but more importantly his despair was the greater sin ,thinking an all powerful God couldn't forgive him. as I was taught. Well they didn't say it was the greater sin but that it was mortal sin
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That's interesting. (Seriously) I have never heard it that way before..... However since sacrificing God's son was the plan, why does he need to be forgiven for following that plan and doing what Jesus willed him to do?
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It was preordained thus to be his role in this play and thus he should not be looked upon as an evil betrayer, although in fact he was exactly that.
It is a strange dichotomy that Christianity has made of him over the centuries. I am sure that he was forgiven for his act and he should be looked by all more as an innocent ploy rather than a culpritLike (1)
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as I said above .to think Godcan't forgive or can't" anything" I've been led to believe. It's ok to adore a true God. I'm sure there's only one. Not to take away from the validity ofthis question
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What I don't understand is WHY forgiveness is necessary for playing the 2nd most important part in the salvation of Christians.....
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An excellent question. Without Judas there would be no Christianity. Why his sacrifice is not celebrated says a great deal about that religion.
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What people don't remember is the apostles were just men.They all had sin in them.Paul says in a sc
riptue. The things I. Don't want to do, I find myself doing and the things I want to do I'm not doing. And. So any of them could have been judas. Like (1)
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It's not about "which one" but why "the one" is so hated.
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Because the actual Book of Judas has been suppressed by the Vatican, so we will never know what he was really like, or why he did what he did. (Jesus instructed Judas to to rat him out BTW... because Judas was the one he trusted most to get the job done)
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You can buy the book and apparently there is a film now. Yes Jesus trusted him.Like (1)
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exactly the point..... Since when to we revile and curse those who follow God's will?
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Great question, and I feel he does indeed get a bum rap. Someone had to betray Christ and he trusted Judas with that job. I read the book The Gospel of Judas and it is very interesting.
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I watched the "Gospel of Judas" on Netflix today and it prompted the question. Ty for your response
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Didn't know there was a film. Even as a young child I thought it was unfair. Love the name by the way, but not fair to name a child Judas, next cat me thinks.
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That's exactly the role I always thought he played in that fairy tale.
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Fairy tale or not, God is worshipped for setting this up but Judas is hated for playing his part..... (?)
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My apologies I did not need to call this story a fairy tale, and insult your religion. I could have found a more tactful way of saying that I am a non-believer and added to your discussion. I do agree with your point. I read the story the same way. Judas was fulfilling the role assigned to him by God. His betrayal of Jesus was preordained in the prophecies told in Jeremiah and Zechariah. This creates an interesting dichotomy that never really gets discussed by the Church, except amongst the more scholarly theologians. The case of Judas also raises questions about the nature of evil, and the concept of free will. I believe Bertrand Russell writes about this, and Jorge Louis Borges wrote a short story, but the names of both works elude me right now. I believe that most people view Judas as evil, because the Church has always promoted a dualistic view of good v. evil, which rules out the possibility of an act or person being both at any given point in time. I wish you good luck in finding the answers you are looking for.
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Bad interpretation of the juridical system at that time. Jesus accepted his defeat and used the reward money to start his religious movement.
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Go back and read the Bible again the money was used to purchase a cemetary for the poor.
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That is a religious movement since christianity include charity.
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Dunno. Valid reasoning in your position. I'm gonna bring that one up to the priest.
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Thank you. Please let me know what he says. (Seriously)
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Posted by EarthlingWise Mar 10th, 2013 at 4:17PM
He is forgiven, plus he was badly punished for his sins, which Christians always like.
BTW, no-one has been saved from anything.
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Reply by infpisme Mar 10th, 2013 at 4:21PM
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Reply by EarthlingWise Mar 10th, 2013 at 4:22PM
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