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I'm a Democrat

Yes, I am a registered Democrat. But somehow I feel that politics in America has gotten too polarized!

It's gotten so bad that we can't even elect a president and we comment negatively about the opposite party endlessly. How can we ever come together and really make change happen if we are calling each other names?

 

keepingwarm keepingwarm 31-35 38 Responses Dec 12, 2007

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Keepingwarm,
The only thing that gives me hope is on the rare occasions I can get anyone to get past party affiliation and talk about the actual issues I find we can agree on a great deal of things. There are many issues where the two parties actually agree but still cannot come together. it is very sad but it happens. If we can take the money out of the equation then elected officials would be free to speak their minds without fear of loosing the financial support they think they need.

As I recall the Democrats filibustered Bush's federal court nominees for eight solid years. They also refused to vote on Robert Bork's nomination to the Supreme Court of the United States. What republican filibusters are you referring to?
The war is only to make defense contractors rich? I don't think any President starts a war to make money for his friends. God help us if any President from any political party is ever that shallow.
I also looked up some history on the civil rights act of 1964 to see who voted for it. I found that there was a filibuster in the Senate led by one Republican and eighteen Democrats. Since the Democrats held 2/3 of the seats in the Senate it took almost unanimous support of the Republicans to end the filibuster. On a percentage basis the Republicans gave more support to the civil rights act of 1964 than the Democrats did. I found it interesting because that was not the impression I had of that piece of legislation growing up. I had the impression that is was the other way around.
I have also learned from my business studies that government contracts often have strict limits on expenses they can deduct to make sure they do not have a huge windfall at the public's expense. So the money made by such companies as Haliburton may not be as large some might think.
As for power I am afraid neither party seems immune from the desire for power. It is why I am a member of either party. In Arizona they used the term no party preference. I like that better than the more commonly used independent.

Keepingwarm,
I think money is killing the political system in this country. The more they spend the worse it gets. What was the toll on the last presidential campaign close to a billion for each side? What did we get for it except to hear the same ads over and over. Do any of the political consultants in this country understand the law of diminishing returns??? I got sick of hear ads for candidates I planned to vote for!!! It was awful and it gets worse every election cycle.
I have decided to take action. I am going to run for the Ohio 3rd district seat by promising two things:

To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic (hey its in the oath of office isn't it?).

To accept no money from anyone to run my campaign (I will however accept food).

Political ads are garbage anyway. I can NOT pass a budget as well as the people they have in there so I really don't think the voters have anything to lose if they vote for me. I am over 18 so I am qualified.

I didn't care about politics before 9-11. In fact, I never voted before then either. But I educated myself, and chose a party from a fresh perspective, without bias. But the fact is, it isn't the politicians who are to blame for the state of this country. It is the people that keep re-electing these same minions of the devil, over and over. As of January 1st, 2012, I have turned off the news. I have renewed my search for my heritage and my NDN family, and I spend an enormous time in the wilds, camping and cooking over a fire and teaching myself to speak Mvskokv and play flute. AND I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER = ) Ignorance truly is bliss. I will vote my mind when the time comes, and five minutes later, I will shun it all again. You can't fire the people. And it is the people that are responsible. Not the idiots we keep electing. The PEOPLE are ruining this country, just as every other democracy before it. This isn't new. It is destined to fail. And when it does, who knows...maybe the buffalo will return = )

of course it is polarized. there is the haves and the have nots, the ones who work with and for the rich in hopes they will get to join the club. and the one who sit back and wonder what the hell just happened, the ones who want the same oppurtunities as to get ahead and the ones who squash your dreams under their feet and do it legally

where do you get off on class envy, a product of the republican party no one can survive without working. there is no such thing as welfare anymore

RON PAUL 2012! HE TELLS THE TRUTH! VOTE FOR NO ONE BUT HIM. EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE H IS BETTER THAN GOD! RON PAUL 2012! HE TELLS THE TRUTH!

ron paul is so confused he doesnt doesnt even know what party he should be in. the mans a registered republican. but think like a libertarian. legalize marijuana and prostitution republicans stand for conservatism and thats not conservative. and bob the welder, there is no god get used to it

You want to know why America is really going down?<br />
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We let the government solve our problems. They have proven themselves incompetent over and over yet he still allow them to have any sort of power.

I used to be a Republican until George W. Bush hijacked the party. So for those of you who bash Republicans, you have every right to because there are a lot of whack jobs who have infiltrated our party and made a bad name for us. If you want to know what the Republican party's true Republican's stand for, visit Ron Paul's website. True conservatives don't believe in policing the world, we are against the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are against nation building, our tax dollars should be going towards our own national defense, our own schools, and our own hospitals, not Iraq's. This isn't the only issue we agree on, however I do acknowledge that we disagree strongly on universal health care. My personal stance is that the government should stay out of it because every time they get involved and start regulating, it gets more expensive than it was before. There are several reasons health care is costly, one of them is because doctors are paying over $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance. It we put a REASONABLE cap on lawsuits and lower the cost of malpractice insurance for doctors, that would be one way to lower the cost of health care for all of us. Another issue that I have with pretty much all American's is that we are spoiled. I hear it all the time from people, "I can't afford health insurance." And 90% of the time that person has a newer car, an expensive cell phone plan, cable tv, internet, goes out to eat at least once a week, and several other luxuries that most people around the world do not have. So what I'm trying to say here is that yes there are people who can truly not afford health care, but for most people in this country it's just a matter of setting your priorities. You probably can afford health care, you just don't want to give up one of your other luxuries.

King,
It is so hard to get anyone to even discuss issues anymore. I used to think tort reforms was awful until I heard someone explain it. Most only want reasonable caps on the "pain and suffering" part of lawsuits and to me that makes sense. Years ago there was no way to even get compensation for anything but things that could be quantified such as lost wages. I can see allowing some compensation for pain and suffering but there should be limits.

keepingwarm,<br />
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I think your story expresses a feeling about the politics that most Americans would agree with. However, the view that both parties have become too polarized is an absurd platitude that is so often repeated by the media it is accepted without thought. <br />
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Republicans have been moving further and further to the right since Ronald Regan and now with the Tea Party fruitcakes they have moved even further to the right by leaps and bounds. And the Democrats, have they moved to the left? While Jimmy Carter's policies would be considered too liberal by most Democrats today the policies of the Republican patron saint, Ronald Reagan, are considered too liberal for most Republicans. <br />
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So have both parties become too polarized? As the GOP has continues to move to the far right as the DNC moved to the left? - NO! The DNC of today is more like the GOP of 30 years ago than then DNC of 30 years ago. <br />
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The polarization comes from having more and more far right politicians/celebrities like Palin and Sharon Angle, Sen. DeMint, etc., that espouse views that are utterly unacceptable to people like me that still remember what Democrats used to believe in before they lost their spines and became Republican-light.<br />
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Let's not repeat platitudes that reinforce the utterly absurd idea that Democrats have also become more radical in their views.

MtnMig,
I am amazed you complain about polarization and the in the next paragraph call tea party members fruitcakes? What's up with that?
Why is it that people cannot discuss differing beliefs without marginalizing the views of others. I grew up a liberal Democrat but even at my most liberal, anti Republican best i never thought Republicans or those with other views were evil or crazed. I just thought they had a different point of view and at worst were protecting their own interests. Of course this was during the days when the Democratic Party was so poor is used to hold telethons to raise money (yes this actually happened). The party line then of the Republicans favoring the rich made some sense then. When they were being outspend 2-1 on a regular basis it made sense. Now they outspend the Republicans in some major races so the class welfare argument looses some steam for me. I remember when I lived in Arizona watching the presidential elections and seeing an Ohio Democratic Party official (I grew up in Ohio), claiming how terrible it was for the Democratic process for one party (the Republicans), to hold all of the major state offices. I snickered remembering how it was looked on as the will of the people when **** Celeste was governor and the Democrats held all of the major offices. I remember because my dad worked for Celeste at the time.

Good call drcynic" I am not willing to budge for the republicans either,they have destroyed this country and are determined to see the country fail so that they can get back in power again,we need more democrats so as to get by the filibusters by the republicans whom only care about power and more money for their buddies in the corporations,the Iraq and Afganistan wars are about nothing but defense contractors like Haliburton and Trans ocean making money,those people did nothing to us to justify invading their country,everyone needs to tell their friends VOTE,VOTE, VOTE, DEMOCRAT,they are not the best but its the only way we may have a chance to take back the country.

look over there snarling poodle in haut couture.

I think the idea of having more parties to allow people to find their true political and social voice and opinion is a very good idea. This allows motivated people to get things done, and the opinions of people are not so generalized. However, this isn't a completely new idea, and with the way politics are going, new and unique parties would be trampled over and looked down on by their Democratic and Republican majorities. And although unfortunate, I think it's important to be optimistic, and hopeful, because things do change when people put their minds to it. (Just take a look at history; Women's rights, Gandhi's revolution, Barack Obama).On the topic of bitter partisanship, each party holds to their values aggressively, and does not want to agree with anything that the other party may suggest, with fear that it would affect their core opposite views. I think that each party has to sacrifice a little bit to bring them both together.Well, hopefully things get better, and as always, keep moving forward.

Have you heard about the "Goooh" party. Its new and the idea is to get rid of the politicians in the House and elect people from the neighborhood with no allegiance to the PACS, lobbyists and corporations. <br />
Check it out at <br />
http://www.goooh.com<br />
There are introduction videos and all the information about the party and plan there. Its not perfect, but it's better than what we have now.

it makes you feel there are real differences between the two....thus making you feel like your making a real choice...thus impowering you and giving you the illusion your living in a democrocy....divide and control....they are the same just different masks

You said it Bobaloo, I totally agree!!

keepingwarm the Federalists were conservatives and the Anti-Federalists were liberals. The Federalists destroyed there own party by the the 1820's and turned into the Whig Party. The Anti-Federalists became the Democratic-Republicans. The Whigs also burned out by the 1850's The Democratic-Republican party dropped the Republican part and became the Democratic party.<br />
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Then an anti-slavery reform party started called the Republican party and their first presidential nominee was Abraham Lincoln. Hopefully we all know what happened after this. <br />
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There a brief history of our political parties yeah!...<br />
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It would be very hard to have a constitutional amendment to change the structure of how we vote in the US.<br />
I think we could just have something like the Australians have and do instant runoff voting. That should just need a law passed no deep structural change basically.<br />
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Voting for president? Vote for your top three choices if choice #1 loses your vote goes to #2 then #3 if need be until there is a majority vote for somebody. Third parties could actually win offices this way.<br />
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I think We also need public financing of elections. All our representatives do all year is walk around with their hand out for money. They never do our business all they do is constantly run for office. <br />
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All we need is something like this nationally in my opinion. HAHAHAHA Who knows if we will ever get our system fixed though.

That's nice to hear. I have Republican friends too but we never talk about politics and joking is limited. I wish everyone was as free to make jokes. I guess it depends on how strongly you take your views?

I want old America back, the America that I never got to see, without racism or discrimination. (The America where you worked hard and were rewarded for it as opposed to this one where you get too much for free)

I'm republican, I don't have a problem with you being a democrat. But don't tell my republican boyfriend, he will argue with you until you get to the point, (or act like you do)

myslef IM against anyone deciding for me, IM antipolitics I hate all forms of government equally one way or another they are all dictators in a way what they call democracy is just a front , notice they never have competition in any way always the same two sides working hand in hand to control their population and alternating at the wheel usa is republicans and democrats, in canada its conservatives and liberals in other countries its called something else but same bullshit, at the very least dont give them the satisfaction of knowing they had enough impact to get you to go and vote wake up neo...

@ Socrates: One World Order, yes I agree. Capitalism is not working at all... at least not global capitalism. We will soon be forced to revert back to the protectionist policies that kept things in check. This free trade stuff is just the the propaganda of top 1% who own the corporations who run our world.<br />
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@ workerbee: okay, yes, spending so much scares me too. But what else would we do? Just let everything bottom out? (Are you ready to lose your job in the interests of 'fixing' the economy?) Keep overtaxing the middle class and letting the rich walk away with all the profit without giving back to the rest of us? If we are going to have a capitalist system we need to have social safety nets in place so that those who lose out, do not lose out completely. Capitalism is not working, free trade is not working... Tariffs would be great but "they" say we'd risk an all out trade war that would make things worse.... what alternative is there?? I bet we turn toward the s-word which may not matter anyway because other nations are not cooperating with their own stimulus measures. So to 'protect their sovereignty' they are resorting to nationalism and protectionism which will only make the problem worse. I think we'll end up with international conflicts if the economy isn't fixed, maybe something on a global scale like a world war. what can we do? I don't think there are any options. Spend on stimulus measures, hope that creates sustainable jobs, and THEN start balancing the budget-- while weaning ourselves off of cheap foreign goods... I hope we'll be buying electric Fords in a few years time and not 2,000 dollar NANOs.

Check out the idea of transpartisan at Integritize America.(See Google) where the core best of both parties are integrated.

I used to a Democrat, but the extreme tax and spend mentality turned me off. Also, a lot of the mommie state do gooders that are always out to control behavior, really turn me off. So, I started voting Libertarian. Then I supported the republicans. Bush started spending money like crazy, and the republicans completely sold out. So, I figured since republicans are no longer fiscally responsible at all, I might as well support Obama and the democrats for my liberal social views.<br />
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Yesterday, on "Front Line", they had a show on the National Debt. In 1993, the 'pay as you go' rule was allowed to expire. This rule forced lawmakers to pay for new spending by either cutting another program or raising taxes. After the rule expired, Bush was able to explode his deficits, and pass Prescription drug coverage for Medicare. In his term he managed to double the national debt. And now Obama will quadruple that debt. By 2050 Social Security and Medicare will account for the entire budget.<br />
The special interests of both parties will eventually bankrupt America. Other countries will eventually figure out that we are sick and stop lending us money.<br />
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Old people will eventually bankrupt this country when the young healthy workers can no longer sustain the ever growing entitlement programs and increasing aged population that continues to live longer.<br />
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A multi-party system would be great because it would slow down the governing process. maybe a coalition could be formed that could take on the very unpopular reforms that are needed in the future. Right now special interests are running this country, and slowly destroying it by spending money we do not have. Those interests are using both parties, so it only makes a difference on the periphery, as to which party you vote for.

Are you aware that the political party system was introduced many years ago,as a divide and conquer mechanism,by a cabal of financial psychopaths,whose sole ob<x>jective has been the financial subjugation of all nations.Successive generations of the psycopaths have been responsible for all financial boom and bust cycles,including The Great Depression,and this current<br />
world financial crisis which has been planned for many years,as it almost certain to be the prelude to a One World Corporate State.I reiterate the political party system divides and conquers,that is why the political parties have appear to be in oposition to each other,when in fact privately,they are united in serving their masters,the financial psychopaths who finance their candidates for president,and the smear campaigns for the one they do not want to be president.Of course it goes without saying that,the Preident is beholden to those that engineered his election to the Presidency.<br />
Abraham Lincoln,and John F. Kennedy had to be eliminated because they dared to do what they wanted to do.<br />
Finally,if the masses want continue supporting the despotic and corrupt political party system,by giving politicians of all persuasions carte blanche to be servants of a controlling elite,then they do not have a valid reason for complaining.The following quotes may be illiminating:<br />
If there is any single statement which does more than any other to explain productive countries have been encouraged to become hopelessly mired in debt,and willing to accept a One world Government,it is the extrordinary admission made in the United States Bankers' Association magazine of August, 1924:<br />
"Capital must protect itself in every possible way,both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through a process of law, the common people lose their homes,they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers.These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no inportance.It is thus by discreet action, we can secure for ourselves that which has beeen so well planned and so successfully accomplished."<br />
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” - David Rockefeller<br />
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“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests<br />
of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and am proud of it.” - David Rockefeller

We live in such an extreme society that is quick to judge (NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE THIS; THIS IS A BLANKET STATEMENT ENCOMPASSING THE VAST MAJORITY ONLY). We are a blood-thirsty society who desires only the blood of the scapegoats we decide to blame and, being the self-righteous blind hypocrites that we are, declare that our accusations are correct because that is most convinient to us.<br />
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When I registered to vote, I was so tempted to put Independent Party because my political beliefs don't match Republicans or Democrats exactly. But, I registered Republican because most of my ideologies fall upon those boundaries.<br />
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Keepingwarm, in today's society, just be who you are andd support your political beliefs fervently. Don't let your "official political party" make you feel like you don't belong simply because one or two of your beliefs don't go exactly like theirs. Be yourself; no one else.

What country are you from? I would say both Democrats and Republicans love democracy. (that might be a debating point among very partisan people though!)<br />
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I'm not sure about the names, why Democrats are called Democrats. You might have to check wikipedia. I think, long ago, it came from a difference in perspective. Republicans were federalists and Democrats used to be anti-federalists.... (???) It was the old question, does the national government rule more or do the people/states? But I'm not a historian. I don't know.

Are democrats the same as those people who love democracy? Here in my country, we are under a democratic republic but it seem s that democracy is only for those who rule and sit in the government.

The sad truth is we won't as long as it keeps going this way. The hopeful reality is we must all think positively if we are going to make it and pull out of this

Those are some good points, MonteCarlo. I think maturity is part of it somehow. As if arguing with a random person or calling someone from the other party names would help anything. I do remain loyal to the Democratic party but mostly because of certain key issues.<br />
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I think if we had a more viable multi-party system, people would find it easier to find their true political voice and we would avoid this nonsense of both sides not working together... because they would have to, because neither one would have a true majority. In Britain, there are several political parties, but there are at least three represented in the parliament. To get things passed I imagine that the liberals and conservatives, plus the third party, the liberal democrats (they're sort of like Libertarians here) have to work together to find a majority. <br />
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I might be full of it. But I wouldn't mind having a party that truly represented by interests. I'm a Libertarian on Social issues and Personal freedoms, a Green party on the environment, and a Democrat on domestic economic issues, but a Libertarian when it comes to Free trade.