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I Am a Feminist

Benovolent Sexism And Enforced Agreement

By: ManifestoOfThePhoenix
Written on January 26th, 2013
Age: 26-30 , Male
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  • Scarcollection

    Sometimes I'm confused about the American way of categorizing politics. I always thought conservative was a right wing thing in the US too?
    My American ex taught me a bit about your system, that its a crossway instead of a 'railroad line' like in Europe.

    I thought you have liberal ("rights and freedom for all") and conservative ("traditional values") as opposites and libertarian ("free market and small goverment") and progressive ("the caring/fatherly state") as opposites.
    Was I wrong or...?
    Maybe you guys call libertarian "right wing" and progressive "left wing", with us that's devided along the other line.

    I guess conservative progressives exist too, how odd an combination it might be in the eyes of people like me. :-p

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      I'm not for the establishment of traditional values. I'm rallied AGAINST traditional values but I feel we need a NEW TRADITION that is LOOSELY based on the old one but FAR more inclusively.

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      the Irony for me is that Progressives (LEFT WINGERS) have often THROWN Out the baby (SOME of the values like Chivalry) of the Conservative (Right wingers) culture because of offense at certain Aspects of that tradition (A lack of inclusivity of homosexuals, alternative styles of family) and my thing is that this has lead to a situation that means ALL family structrues are eroding. Not MERELY The nuclear family of a father a mother and kids. Even Marriage is falling apart without ANY traditional culture in place.

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    • Scarcollection

      That makes me curious, could you elaborate on that political view?

      Maybe you should adapt our European system, we had a few more centuries and wars to develope a good system of naming politics. ;-)
      As usually, we Europeans are far more detailed and convenient when categorizing things, because well... admit it: Imperial sucks too, Metric rulez baby.
      Just like our broad spectrum of politics, neatly placed in order by School instead of faction. ^^

      I'm a bit joking, you can like your American systems if you want, it's not very important, except that I'm sometimes annoyed by Imperial. :-p

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      the tradition is flawed for instance in providing perscribed gender roles for men and women and the lesser status of women within the system, the lack of respect for homosexuals, etc but it also taught things of virtue like honesty, loyalty and chivalry towards women for men. It taught men that even if women were perscribed a lesser role to at least respect that they HAD a proper role. Now what we have is a bunch of boys who think women serve NO purpose or function at all even as they do and women who think that kindness should be it's own reward even as it becomes exceptionally rare in society simply because it's how men SHOULD be. Well bugger that. I'm nice because I want to be but it's frustrating as hell how INEFFECTIVE that is in dating. I'll go on being nice indefinately but we've ****** up in some capacity... The tradition wasn't ALL evil.

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    • Scarcollection

      Oh hey! I just checked your profile, you're a libertarian socialist! That's language I do understand.
      And that really is a very odd combination! :-p

      I'm still curious, as libertarian and socialist are almost opposites, how on earth can you mix those political idealogies? Must be a magic trick, very cool. ;-)

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      I'm going by the us defintion of the term Libertarian. I'm going by the european one in that. By that I mean ANARCHIST, not a proponent of the free markets.

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      The right wingers are fragmented. The Conservatives. There's the Economics (FREE MARKETS! WHEE but also HAIL FASCIST CAPITALISM! LEMON SOCIALISM FOR THE WIN!) there's the libertarians (free markets but no lemon socialism), The Religous right (Let's ban abortions and gay marriage and bring back the traditonal family unit) the paleoconservatives who stress g tradition, limited government, civil society, anti-colonialism, anti-corporatism and anti-federalism and then there's the neocons who are all about the big police state and war all over the place otherwise called neoliberals in the european world)

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    • DenteAvvelenato

      Scar I'm with you on this and in the definitions of political affiliations.

      Jan 27
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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      I'm with her on the defintions as well. ******* arrogant americans won't adopt the metric system either. WTF. We are NOT exceptional.

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    • Scarcollection

      Sometimes labels are confusing... if you'd say "I'm libertarian", I'd think you worship free market and are passively committing genocide on poor people (take that with a pound of salt :-p), "libertarian socialist" makes me confused and "anarchist" makes me think you don't do real politics at all.
      People say labels are bad, but I disagree, it's pretty handy as long as we use the RIGHT labels for what we mean.

      You story sounds familiar to me, but I have that in another field: religion, some prophets were really wise people who had knowledge of 'more'.
      Too bad all the other people didn't listen to those prophets and just wrote down their own stupid views in the Bible, Tora etc.
      Sometimes the core of traditions are awesome, but time and the human condition ruins traditions: we started with Jesus Christ's "forgive them, as they don't know what they're doing" and went through witch burning to dehumanizing homosexuals.
      Why? Because humans who hadn't prophet-like wisdom messed up and abused religion for their own stupid means.
      Same with politics: Karl Marx had a great idea, but the human condition effectively made that wisdom into a near-dystopian system.

      Humans suck, beam me up scotty!

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      Look into Noam chomsky or the idea of worker's self management.

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    • DenteAvvelenato

      I see a lot of people holding oil and water political affiliations and wonder by what magic do they make these emulsions !

      Jan 27
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    • Scarcollection

      @ Dente: water and oil mixes just as well as a good white russian cocktail... it's not a true emulsion, but cream on top of vodka and kahlua doesn't make me complain. ;-)

      @ Manifesto: got it, I think I've got some more studying to do before I can say more about american political systems...
      One little add on though: neoliberals in europe are actually more of a mix between libertarian (the free market part), federal (pro-European superstate) and some really strange puppet state goverment thing (the state can oppress a whole nation, like we Northern Europeans do with puppet state Greece now -cutback the deficit untill all poor people are dead-, but they still want a small goverment).

      I shall look into the term 'lemon socialism', I never heard that one.

      Jan 27
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    • DenteAvvelenato

      @scar so i should drink more and ignore all the mayonaise political belief systems ?

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    • ManifestoOfThePhoenix

      Quotes by Noam Chomsky - unofficial (managed by his fans)

      "Personally I’m in favor of democracy, which means that the central institutions in the society have to be under popular control. Now, under capitalism we can’t have democracy by definition. Capitalism is a system in which the central institutions of society are in principle under autocratic control. Thus, a corporation or an industry is, if we were to think of it in political terms, fascist; that is, it has tight control at the top and strict obedience has to be established at every level — there’s a little bargaining, a little give and take, but the line of authority is perfectly straightforward. Just as I’m opposed to political fascism, I’m opposed to economic fascism. I think that until major institutions of society are under the popular control of participants and communities, it’s pointless to talk about democracy."
      Noam Chomsky

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    • Scarcollection

      @ Dente: if you're going to drink together with me: sure! We could even do both, discuss politics when having a drink. :-p

      @ Manifesto: yeah yeah, I get it, you're a Noam Chomsky fan, be a bit careful okay? Focussing so much on own knowledge without making sure others understand the content of your words can kill any conversation.
      It's why people with autism or 'disorders of the interpretation of reality' are hard to communicate with too: the content they produce is only checked by their own logic.
      Just a little tip, just like with the PM you send me: make sure the information/content of your words arrive at the other person in a way they can comprehend. :-)

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