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Gay And Chistian?

Many people here claim to be both gay and Christian. I'll give you folks some things to ponder on:

1) What is "love"? I have read so many posts practically saying that it is okay to engage in homosexual lust and acts so far as it is based on "love", because God is love. The English language is not really that good in distinguishing what love is. But the distinction between agape, philia and eros is not of interest to me. When you say you "love" someone: what do you mean? The answer to that will reveal whether or not the argument for homosexuality (defined as engaging in same-sex lust and sexual acts) based on "love" is valid or not.

2) "You don't follow all of Leviticus either!" Surely not. I'm neither a Levite nor bound by the Old Covenant. However, does that therefore mean that all *moral* laws of the Old Testament are therefore irrelevant unless repeated in the New Testament?

3) "Christ never said anything about homosexuality!" Did He have to? He did not speak of other things that we reject, such as rape, paedophilia and necrophilia. Does silence on a subject not brought to one's attention mean tacit approval thereof? Further, Christ did delegate authority to others: that those who listen to them would be listening to Him and to Him that had sent Him. And those who rejected them would be rejecting Him and His Father.

4) "God loves everyone!" Indeed. Does that mean we can do anything without consequence? Did He not come to call us to repentance without which we would not be saved?

5) "God wants us to be happy!" In this life or in the next? I reckon He asked us to follow in His footsteps, to carry our cross daily, to even die to the world so that we may live. I have never heard that we ought to follow the passions of the flesh whatever way they may try to sway us. He Himself was betrayed, abandoned, ridiculed, tortured and murdered. He even said that He'd rather have the chalice pass Him, but nevertheless resolved that His Father Will had to be done.

6) "God wouldn't send me to hell simply because I love someone of the same sex!" But then: what is "hell"? And what is "love"? Is hell not existent precisely because love demands it?

7) "I do not accept YOUR interpretation!" I wouldn't accept my own either unless it is attested that my understanding is in accordance to that of the Church throughout the ages. Truth - after all - does not simply change over time. What is true back then is also true today.

8) "God does not want man to be alone!" Did the Lord therefore sin? What of Saint Paul? Friendship is also a form of companionship - does this not suffice?



Take care that in your contemplation you are truthful and sincere.
"[1] Love justice, you that are the judges of the earth. Think of the Lord in goodness, and seek him in simplicity of heart. [2] For he is found by them that tempt him not: and he sheweth himself to them that have faith in him. [3] For perverse thoughts separate from God: and his power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise: [4] For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins. [5] For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and he shall not abide when iniquity cometh in."

Test yourselves that you truly seek God's Will and not the justification of your own. We are creatures, not the Creator. Ours is obedience and humility. That is the cross of salvation.
Serviam Serviam 22-25, M 10 Responses Jan 17, 2013

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You lost me when you speak of the "moral" part of the law. There's no such thing. It's either you follow all of the Old Testament law or none of it.

Amen, Serviam! :D

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.

1Corinthians 6:8-10
On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Although it is not stated succinctly, the Bible is not against Homosexuals but against Homosexual behaviour that leads to disease and death. That incluses all promiscuity.

Really? Is that why He calls them brute beasts. Are you a Buddhist? They are the ones who coined the saying, love the sinner and hate the sin. That is not Biblical. "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13

Really? "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is not biblical for Christians but is biblical for God. At least that's what I believe. Also, what about all the verses that say that God and Jesus love God's children and command that we love others? What you are saying, basically, is that God doesn't love those of his children who've sinned or are sinning, and we must be perfect in order to be loved by him. That's not biblical. Btw, it seems that Esau was hated by God bc he was rebellious against him basically. Not bc he sinned unintentionally.

To love someone, does not mean that we advocate for or love sin. If we claim to love someone, we should be willing to share the Word of God because we care for their soul, like Jesus did. No, that is NOT what I am saying. Christians fall short and sin, right? It is not about perfection! The difference between a Christian, who falls and a sinner is the Christian repents because he knows what he has done is a sin. That is not what is going on here. These people claim to be Christians, who are not sinning by engaging in homosexuality. They are teaching that God is a liar, who said it is a sin. I have known homosexuals and you know what I have never had any issues with them. I mean, they know my heart and I trust the Lord to change their hearts, in His perfect timing. There is usually no need to state the obvious about the Bible and what God has deemed a sin. Yes, I agree about Esau. But you cannot claim that these people are not being rebellious because the Word is clear about homosexuality. How in the world can you think there is no intention? Since they claim to be Christians, they know the Word, therefore their denial of it, only reveals their heart toward God. They are trying to straddle the fence, so to speak.

You clearly have not met God. He loves each and everyone of us no matter who we are. You clearly have doubts in your heart and I sense hatred in your writing. God does not love those who carries doubts and hate. Where is there is no diversity there is no unity. You will always stuck in one side and you will never grow spiritually. That is the size of your heart and faith so very limited and tiny. You sound just like those passive commandments scholar who keeps questioning Jesus in bible.

You know not God, who does NOT love everyone, no matter who they are! What scriptures would make you come to such a foolish conclusion?

Jesus said it would be more bearablefor Sodom ect on Judgement day than for unbelievers. Don't know your New Testament to well do you. I'm gay and I still love Jesus !

Oh, yes it is true! Jesus did say that to homosexuals like you! "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in Heaven will enter." (Matthew 7:21)

1Corinthians 6:8-10
On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Truly, it will be more bearable for Sodom, than for those like you who saw what God had done to the homosexuals and yet you ignore His judgments, teaching others to break His laws. You call Him a liar but it is you that is the liar!

Um. Some people are Christian and gay. Nothing will change that.

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in Heaven will enter." (Matthew 7:21)

There are NO gay Christians!

There are people who struggle with same-sex attractions. So, by definition, there are gay Christians.

No that is what the Word calls temptation, which is not a sin. Christians struggle with sins but we aren't defined by our sins because Jesus is leading us and guiding those of us, who are crucified with Christ.

The question is: does The Bible call the attractions a sin, or just acting on them? As far as I know, The Bible speaks against same-gender sex acts, not the attractions.

Well let's see. Jesus said, in regard to adultery, the man who looks at a woman with lust in their heart, had already committed adultery.

The Word says that we ate to keep our minds on Jesus, so we would be able to stand against Satan. If you are fantasizing about someone of the opposite sex, that is bad enough, since you would be opening yourself up to sin. Fornication if you aren't married and adultery if you're married fantasizing about someone other than your spouse. And if you are fantasizing about the same sex, this means you are delving intentionally into something that God calls an abomination. Not only does it say a lot about the condition of your heart, since we are supposed to be crucified with Jesus. When we ask forgiveness, we are saying that we desire His will for ourselves and we willingly lay down our lives for Him. Thus, we surrender all to Him because we know He is worthy. Most of us, when we come to the cross, we are so broken and tired trying to do things our own way, it is nothing to give our all to Him.

If you were to die right then, while fantasizing of the same sex, I don't know if you'd be in danger of judgment or not. But I will say that entertaining such things is not good because it is like watching ****, you make yourself susceptible to Satan. The longer you allow Satan to gain a foothold on your thoughts, the more difficult it is to break free.

I cannot imagine how anyone could be thinking indecent and impure thoughts about someone of the same sex, claiming to be a Christian. Because you're not being faithful to the one that God has for you. To believe He has someone of the same sex is unbiblical. I would know who would be behind thoughts suggesting something unbiblical. I know that it is Satan that seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. He is a jealous God.

Remember, from the abundance of our hearts, we speak and do (act).

Sounds like you are trying to straddle the fence, so to speak...

This woman is a fundalmentalist that hates gays or any other interrupation of Christianity other than her own sect. I wouldn't doubt that her worship services include handling snakes and drinking strychnine.

This man is a heathen that hates God and all His children. He is full of the devil and cares about no one but himself. Because he doesn't know nor care whether God exists or not, he feels safe in leading people astray into temptation and sin. Either he doesn't care whether people are cast into hell with him or he is blind, in which case, he should shut the hell up because hell is very real whether he believes or not!

It is funny you speak about crazy church services, that must be his church of choice. I am not a member of the church of Satan though.

The woman (OneWithjc) is a coward who hates anyone who is different from her, she is full of sh*t and cares about no one but herself. She can squawk about sin and pass judgement all she likes, she gets muzzled regularly. So far three of her stories have been deleted by EP in the last month alone. That's a high average that even a fornicating zoophillic satanist cannot match.

She goes around this website and bashed gays. I don't know what her issue is. She obviously doesn't work. This is her ministry. Dark, hateful and hurtful. Why? She is trouble and needs therapy. She called me a Satanist and has damned me to Hell. Nice person. A love your neighbor as yourself, accepting forgiving Christian. I'll take the Christian I am over whatever sect she is in.

Yeah she seems particularly fond of picking on gay Christians instead of trying to help them. If her position was so tenable she wouldn't need to block people for holding an opposing position, but she is too feeble minded to hold a constructive debate. She claims it is only she who knows the truth, her 'truth' is that gays are pedos or zoofiles. She further makes an *** of herself by expressing the view that she may call others out on the 'sin' of judging. If the irony police found out about that they would cart her off in an instant.

I'm a Catholic with two children and a grandson. You oh righteous one?

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why are you in this group?

You are so right...thus when a person still gay when he really seek God and found peace at heart, closer to God more than ever, and somehow found his/her soulmate tho in the same gender, willing to spend the rest of theirlives together in a loving commitment to each other...we cannot say that they have wronged and sin. God knows best, and what He has given to His people is best.

Why do you agree with this guy? He's clearly against homosexuality.

Are you straight or gay ?