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Gay And Chistian?

Many people here claim to be both gay and Christian. I'll give you folks some things to ponder on:

1) What is "love"? I have read so many posts practically saying that it is okay to engage in homosexual lust and acts so far as it is based on "love", because God is love. The English language is not really that good in distinguishing what love is. But the distinction between agape, philia and eros is not of interest to me. When you say you "love" someone: what do you mean? The answer to that will reveal whether or not the argument for homosexuality (defined as engaging in same-sex lust and sexual acts) based on "love" is valid or not.

2) "You don't follow all of Leviticus either!" Surely not. I'm neither a Levite nor bound by the Old Covenant. However, does that therefore mean that all *moral* laws of the Old Testament are therefore irrelevant unless repeated in the New Testament?

3) "Christ never said anything about homosexuality!" Did He have to? He did not speak of other things that we reject, such as rape, paedophilia and necrophilia. Does silence on a subject not brought to one's attention mean tacit approval thereof? Further, Christ did delegate authority to others: that those who listen to them would be listening to Him and to Him that had sent Him. And those who rejected them would be rejecting Him and His Father.

4) "God loves everyone!" Indeed. Does that mean we can do anything without consequence? Did He not come to call us to repentance without which we would not be saved?

5) "God wants us to be happy!" In this life or in the next? I reckon He asked us to follow in His footsteps, to carry our cross daily, to even die to the world so that we may live. I have never heard that we ought to follow the passions of the flesh whatever way they may try to sway us. He Himself was betrayed, abandoned, ridiculed, tortured and murdered. He even said that He'd rather have the chalice pass Him, but nevertheless resolved that His Father Will had to be done.

6) "God wouldn't send me to hell simply because I love someone of the same sex!" But then: what is "hell"? And what is "love"? Is hell not existent precisely because love demands it?

7) "I do not accept YOUR interpretation!" I wouldn't accept my own either unless it is attested that my understanding is in accordance to that of the Church throughout the ages. Truth - after all - does not simply change over time. What is true back then is also true today.

8) "God does not want man to be alone!" Did the Lord therefore sin? What of Saint Paul? Friendship is also a form of companionship - does this not suffice?



Take care that in your contemplation you are truthful and sincere.
"[1] Love justice, you that are the judges of the earth. Think of the Lord in goodness, and seek him in simplicity of heart. [2] For he is found by them that tempt him not: and he sheweth himself to them that have faith in him. [3] For perverse thoughts separate from God: and his power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise: [4] For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins. [5] For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and he shall not abide when iniquity cometh in."

Test yourselves that you truly seek God's Will and not the justification of your own. We are creatures, not the Creator. Ours is obedience and humility. That is the cross of salvation.
Serviam Serviam 22-25, M 8 Responses Jan 17, 2013

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You lost me when you speak of the "moral" part of the law. There's no such thing. It's either you follow all of the Old Testament law or none of it.

Although it is not stated succinctly, the Bible is not against Homosexuals but against Homosexual behaviour that leads to disease and death. That incluses all promiscuity.

Really? "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is not biblical for Christians but is biblical for God. At least that's what I believe. Also, what about all the verses that say that God and Jesus love God's children and command that we love others? What you are saying, basically, is that God doesn't love those of his children who've sinned or are sinning, and we must be perfect in order to be loved by him. That's not biblical. Btw, it seems that Esau was hated by God bc he was rebellious against him basically. Not bc he sinned unintentionally.

You clearly have not met God. He loves each and everyone of us no matter who we are. You clearly have doubts in your heart and I sense hatred in your writing. God does not love those who carries doubts and hate. Where is there is no diversity there is no unity. You will always stuck in one side and you will never grow spiritually. That is the size of your heart and faith so very limited and tiny. You sound just like those passive commandments scholar who keeps questioning Jesus in bible.

Jesus said it would be more bearablefor Sodom ect on Judgement day than for unbelievers. Don't know your New Testament to well do you. I'm gay and I still love Jesus !

Um. Some people are Christian and gay. Nothing will change that.

There are people who struggle with same-sex attractions. So, by definition, there are gay Christians.

The question is: does The Bible call the attractions a sin, or just acting on them? As far as I know, The Bible speaks against same-gender sex acts, not the attractions.

This woman is a fundalmentalist that hates gays or any other interrupation of Christianity other than her own sect. I wouldn't doubt that her worship services include handling snakes and drinking strychnine.

The woman (OneWithjc) is a coward who hates anyone who is different from her, she is full of sh*t and cares about no one but herself. She can squawk about sin and pass judgement all she likes, she gets muzzled regularly. So far three of her stories have been deleted by EP in the last month alone. That's a high average that even a fornicating zoophillic satanist cannot match.

She goes around this website and bashed gays. I don't know what her issue is. She obviously doesn't work. This is her ministry. Dark, hateful and hurtful. Why? She is trouble and needs therapy. She called me a Satanist and has damned me to Hell. Nice person. A love your neighbor as yourself, accepting forgiving Christian. I'll take the Christian I am over whatever sect she is in.

Yeah she seems particularly fond of picking on gay Christians instead of trying to help them. If her position was so tenable she wouldn't need to block people for holding an opposing position, but she is too feeble minded to hold a constructive debate. She claims it is only she who knows the truth, her 'truth' is that gays are pedos or zoofiles. She further makes an *** of herself by expressing the view that she may call others out on the 'sin' of judging. If the irony police found out about that they would cart her off in an instant.

I'm a Catholic with two children and a grandson. You oh righteous one?

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why are you in this group?

You are so right...thus when a person still gay when he really seek God and found peace at heart, closer to God more than ever, and somehow found his/her soulmate tho in the same gender, willing to spend the rest of theirlives together in a loving commitment to each other...we cannot say that they have wronged and sin. God knows best, and what He has given to His people is best.

Why do you agree with this guy? He's clearly against homosexuality.

Are you straight or gay ?