Nihilism

Nihilism is the belief that existence has no meaning. A lot of people bash me for it, but I've learned not to care anymore. I can't help the way I feel.
killthejill killthejill
18-21, F
9 Responses Jun 22, 2007

Respectable is right, and if everything is meaningless (if you're a nihilist) then there should be no ethical or rational ob<x>jection to it either. Assassination, war, murder and the horrors associated with it are meaningless so why not use it as a means to an end? Antiyou ob<x>jects because they have beliefs and reasons that killing etc is wrong. You claim you don't believe in God but then why do you follow biblical values? I think you prove to yourself that there is a God and thus a universal ob<x>jective morality that we humans have from God. Some people (atheists) like to argue that morality is a socio-biological adaptation in order for survival and reproduction. Yet most atheists still think things like rape are wrong, but why should it be wrong if there isn't a God, if we're just un-special accidental creatures it's conceivable that rape could be advantageous for the survival of the species. With this attitude morality just becomes a matter of personal taste. "Carrots taste nice. I like them." Some people do, some people don't. It is highly subjective, there is no ob<x>jective truth about it. <br />
<br />
But deep down we all know that it is wrong. I could ask you if you think child abuse is fun, and your answer would almost certainly be "NO." It shows the morality that you were given from God.

but one can easily assume that the more appropriate way is also the way that gives fast results, leaving this debate at a dead end becuase as you stated respectable,<br />
<br />
'We just might share different values'

'Terrorism might be a really rational way to achieve your ends.'<br />
'And assassination? That seems even more rational.'<br />
'And look at war! It's both terrorism and assassination combined. War has been waged by very very rational people.' <br />
<br />
<br />
rational means the ability to reason. reason basically means to think logically. how is going to war and killing someone showing ones ability to think logically. <br />
<br />
'Maybe you are confusing reason or rationality with something else'<br />
<br />
i think perhaps you are defining reason and rationality as whichever means can give the fastest results rather than defining reason and rationality as whichever means is more appropriate for achieveing ones goals.

"i dont see how people who believed in reason could then condone terrorism and assasination."<br />
<br />
How come? Terrorism might be a really rational way to achieve your ends. It really depends upon what your ends are and what the situation is. But to call terrorism beyond reason seems just silly. <br />
<br />
And assassination? That seems even more rational. Look at John Wilkes Booth. He didn't want Lincoln's plan for Reconstruction, and he succeeded in stopping it in its tracks! <br />
<br />
And look at war! It's both terrorism and assassination combined. War has been waged by very very rational people. You and I might not agree with it, but not because it's not rational. We just might share different values.<br />
<br />
Maybe you are confusing reason or rationality with something else, like your own personal values. But I'll bet you don't really believe that only your values are the rational ones. Plenty of rational people have completely opposite goals.

i had actually never heard of this before. so i looked it up, and found that it means much more than the belief that existence has no meaning. <br />
<br />
the Philosophy meaning...<br />
An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence. <br />
A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. <br />
<br />
Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief. <br />
<br />
The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement. <br />
<br />
also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination. <br />
<br />
Psychiatry- A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist. <br />
<br />
heres what i think....<br />
<br />
'the belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.' that is the only one i think i can agree with, but i am not opposed to anarchy.<br />
<br />
'A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.' that i can understand. since most good values and morals seem to have stemmed from the bible. if one did not believe in the bible, then one may assume that they are baseless. but even i, who is an athiest, knows right from wrong. i have rather high morals and values. i base them on nothing other than the fact that i want to be a good kind person and do right by others.<br />
<br />
and as for the revolutionary movement, i dont see how people who believed in reason could then condone terrorism and assasination.<br />
<br />
as for your definition, the belief that existence has no meaning, i'm not sure how i feel about that. i guess in a way i could agree because on a large scale, our existence as a whole is meaningless. but i think one individuals life does have meaning. and their existence is appreciated by the people around them, which in turn gives their life meaning to other people as well. <br />
<br />
not sure how i feel about this. i need to do more research. but congrats on knowing where you stand.

I feel the same way and it's not a real problem. You have to live without the fantasy of meaning, and that is sometimes tougher, but it doesn't mean you can't be happy, even joyous, with the vast majority of what life hands out. The people who reject nihilism, by and large, fare much more poorly. You may be doing better than you think.

How would do nihilists define "meaning"?<br />
<br />
Do you believe in the existence of meaning itself?

Of course you can help how you feel. You've got choices. If you don't actually want to do anything about it, that's your call, but why not just say so?

and now you have a fellow nihilist, how goes it?