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I Am a Recovering Alcoholic

AA Doesn't Work For Atheists/Agnostics

By: RedRover
Written on June 15th, 2009
By: RedRover
Age: 36-40 , Female
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  • volunteer1982

    Hi Guys,
    Been a Heavy addict myself...It's been 5 years now since I am sober and given up completely... I really wish to help others come out of their addictions be it atheist or non-atheist...What Really helped me was Yoga...The Dependency on Substance abuse was completely removed..I found that in just 3 Months of Regular Practice I was able to keep off...please try googling for sudarshan kriya..its a yogic breathing technique...it changed my life...I had been a source of misery for myself and my loved ones..but all that changed once the addictions were gone...so I am here to say that freedom from addiction is here to cure one completely...i realized that this breathing technique has already helped millions of people around the world and is now medically proven to reduce dependency on substance abuse http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16387692 ...I hope the same for you guys as well...believe me there wont be any relapses...Take care

    Mar 26
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  • stephelknievel

    I was doing pretty good on my own, but recently relapsed and decided I could make good use of the meetings, as my community is quite small at the moment. I am running into the same problem you speak of. There are tons of meetings, but none catering to the atheist community. I live in Madison, WI, home to the Freedom From Religion Foundation, alas, no luck. I went to 2 meetings about 19-20 years ago. I couldn't take al the godspeak while trying to speak freely. I could really relate when you spoke of the 'cute' aspect of atheism. It is exactly like that. Very condescending, as if they know something you don't. It makes my skin crawl, and not at all welcoming. Anyway, thank you. It was a bit relieving to read.

    Mar 25
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  • cynsroom

    I so enjoyed your story. It was so eloquently written and very thought provoking. I am a year sober, but unlike you, I DID lose everything first.. I'm glad you got the message before that happened with you. I've been to meetings over this past year but I feel out of place and wonder "where is MY pink cloud?" that I keep hearing about... Take care..

    Mar 10
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    • grasser

      Very glad to hear you have stayed sober for a year.

      Whatever group it is, the group's purpose is very simple: to be of some assistance in helping every member stay sober.

      Thus, everyone takes something different out of every single meeting. The pink cloud is that you have been sober for one year.

      When you get those feelings of being out of place, focus on the positive benefits you have got and still get from the group.

      And hang in there.

      Mar 10
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  • SylviaL

    I was an AL ANON e read that the program fits for all. I said in many meetings that I'm Atheist anda my Higher Power was the program. But the groups (mine and others that I visited) didn't respected my convictions. They said that everyone could be Al ALANON, including Atheist, but it wasn't true. Finally they treat me like a difficult case. I felt sad and alone. My husband didn't go back to AA meetings and I don't see him since 2011, november, when he appeared in a AL ALANON meeting after drinking all night. I asked Divorce and it broke my heart. I loved him so much but I couldn't accept live with a monster (when he drinks he becomes a monster). I must respect myself, but it really broke my heart. Forgive me for my terrible English.

    Feb 20
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  • SylviaL

    Sorry for my bad English, but I loved your text and I need to talk with someone that thinks like me. I was an ALANON member. I attended meetings for one year and three months and I worked for them.
    I decided to try the program because I discovered that my beloved husband (the person that I most loved in all the world) was an alcoholic and AA member during 18 years. We married in 2006 and before decide to accept to marry him I asked if he had problems with drugs or alcool because my first husband had problems with drugs and it resulted in a terrible divorce. He answered what I wanted to hear:" NO". Infortunatly he didn't tell me about AA. In 2010, December, he decided to drink again and I saw a monster beside me.
    I went to AL ANON because I read that it was for Atheist too. I'm Atheist. But I discovered that it is not true. They treat me exactly as you said: as if it is a kind of mental illness or phase (forgive my poor English, please). I felt that is was not for me because they talk all the time about God and Higher Power. I attended meeting in many groups and cities and all were the same. That is no place to me there. I loved the program but without God or Higher Power. Congratulations! Sylvia (Brazil)

    Feb 20
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  • Aahumanist

    Www.agnosticaa.org.uk - I was the same...until we made a new place for us.

    Feb 10
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  • sinfulcundy

    AA doesn't work for everyone, and it is clearly stated on the Big Book that it is not the only method. As for you being an atheist, that's your decision, but for an atheist you seem to have a set opinion of organized religion. You speak about Jesus, and in AA there is NO talk about jesus. They talk of a higher power, who many call God, but the God of your understanding, not some religious god.
    AA isn't for everyone, and doesn't claim to be. But if you have tried everything else and still couldn't stay sober, then AA is there.
    I'm sorry the group you attended was so condescending towards you and your beliefs. Every AA group has the right to run their meetings the way they choose, and many so called AA groups do more damage than good. It is unfortunate, that's why there are traditions to follow and many groups do. There is a huge difference between the "program of AA" and the "fellowship of AA" and unfortunately, you happened upon a group that appears to be more about fellowship than the program.
    I've been sober almost 18 years now, thanks to the program of AA and the 12 steps and traditions.
    You are absolutely correct, AA isn't for everyone.
    It really does require one to be honest, open minded and willing. There is NOTHING about doctors or drugs or any other form of medicine in the program, that is left to outside entities, where it belongs. AA does work, if you do the work. One doesn't get sober by assmosis.
    I personally know scores of people from many many forms of religious beliefs and non religious beliefs (agnostic) that have been completely successful in AA, because they did the work. One doesn't have to believe in God to get it, God can be "group of drunks, good orderly direction, anything you want it to be" but it does require an open mind, some willingness and a desire to change. Nothing changes if nothing changes.
    Every 12 step group in the world, including the one you joined online, AAAA, is based on the original 12 steps of AA. Like everything else, when some people don't agree to the program being offered, and it doesn't work for them because they don't want to do the work, they modify it and adapt it to for themselves. If it works for you, "our hats are off to you". Whatever it takes for you to be sober is fine.
    I wish you the very best in your endeavor to stay sober, and I pray to my higher power for you to be successful. Alcoholism is a subtle foe, and has taken down many a person, I hope you are not one that looses the battle.

    Jan 20
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  • lagatta

    AA didn't work for me either for various reasons. I'm not good with dogma, slogans, etc. I'm not a follower. I'm an independent, free-thinker and free-spirit. I found at one point I was really good at delivering the message that they fed me without really believe it just to fit in and then I would relapse. I eventually did obtain sobriety but it was independent from AA. I developed my own program that seems to work for me. And to think all those times that i was told that if I didn't attend AA I would die!!! That AA was the only way to recovery!

    Jan 20
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  • gnostik66

    I just read "An Atheists Twelve Steps To Self Improvement" by:Vince Hawkins, If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it! I have been going to meetings off and on for the past 8 or so years, and have always relapsed, because I usually stop at step 2. I am an atheist, and that is something that will not change. But Vince puts everything into a great, non religious, perspective. He has his own definitions of prayer, spirituality, and finding a higher power. He goes as far as to say, atheists like ourselves need tangible evidence for anything, especially something that can be as life saving as the 12 steps. I personally can go to meetings, leave my personal beliefs (or non beliefs I should say) out of the general discussion. I have many friends in the program that I can talk to about these things, and most actually seem to want to learn from me! They see me as stronger in my recovery due to my lack of dependence on a god (not trying to sound self righteous here). I am glad I have discovered a way of working the 12 steps in a secular way, because they are a great way to live a better life

    Jan 11
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  • BuddyBo

    I am with you on some of the things I don't like about AA. There are SMART meetings in person and on line that I like. There is also something call mindful recovery which hits home for me too. MBRP or mindfulness based relapse prevention. You can Google these there's a lot of info out there on the net. And if you need to vent there's always EP.

    Jan 4
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  • CAshley2012

    I came here looking for a group of people who have LEFT AA. But for those of you who asked, here is a link to anonymous online meetings. http://www.aaonline.net/ I also had a problem with all the religious stuff in AA. And after really reading the steps, I remarked at a meeting once that it would be impossible for an atheist to succeed with the AA program. I was told that I was "judgemental and practicing discrimination"! :-o Uh...ok. But the steps CLEARLY require a person to give over his/her life to GOD. And if a person is absolutely convinced there IS no God, then it only follows that this program would not be appropriate.

    Jan 4
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    • gnostik66

      One only needs a higher power, and by that you only need to realize that you are not the center of the universe! by the sound of your post, this program isn't appropriate for you, it's about helping others, and realizing it's not all about us, maybe you should do a bit more research before making such an ignorant claim, thanks

      Jan 11
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    • Lilt

      I do not think Ashley's claims are ignorant at all, gnostick66.
      I have struggled immensely with AA's idea of a higher power. I know damned well I am not the center of the universe, but I refuse the "door knob" answer. I have been told at countless meetings to "wait for the miracle." I do not believe in god. Yet, I am asked to say prayers at every meeting.

      I am an alcoholic. I have seen actual photos of how my brain reacts to alcohol. I can pray all day, but that will not change facts. Do I want to be sober? You bet. But some of us don't think praying is the answer.

      Jan 13
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    • gnostik66

      It isn't impossible for an atheist to succeed, it just takes a little bit of open mindedness, I am an atheist, I don't believe in god. If you are going to meetings that are actually following the ideas of AA, you have a choice to say prayers or not! I would recommend reading anything written by Vince Hawkins, He puts it in to perspective very well. I refuse to have a sponsor at the moment, because I know, they will not understand my atheist beliefs, and the book I just read "An Atheists Twelve Steps To Self Improvement" has helped a lot as a supplement to the meetings I attend. There is a different version of the twelve steps, the secular version, that removes the higher power and god aspect...Seriously, after reading this book, I didn't find god, but I have a much better understanding of how to work a secular program from an author that obviously knows what it's like! He still uses the terms spirituality and prayer, but explains a different way of thinking about them! If you are serious about a program, you can make it work. Good Luck

      Jan 14
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    • gnostik66

      Here you will find a lot of useful information, this book has completely changed my program!! Not trying to be preachy, but I am really excited about sharing this with other atheists in recovery!

      www.addicts12steps.com

      Jan 14
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    • Lilt

      I really appreciate the reading suggestions. I am not totally dissing AA. You will not find a better support system anywhere. And for now, those people are my "higher power." I stand and hold hands with them at the end of each meeting, but do not say the prayer.

      Jan 14
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    • gnostik66

      I completely understand, I don't say the prayer either...and I leave god out of the serenity prayer. I say the rest of it as a reminder that I am not in control of everything.

      Jan 14
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  • emmaB7

    I have never been a religious person either and im still not, but i still go to meetings. Like you though, i to didnt really understand everything at first, but i kept going, and one day i got it! I felt that higher power!! and im still not talking about god! AA taught me that by being a better person, and following the steps throughout my own life, I could acheive that "higher power" I just "feel" like a different person now, and the more good that i do the more i feel the higher power! Its satisfaction, love and happiness and its a powerful feeling :)

    Dec 1, 2012
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  • Lilt

    This story is fantastic. But damn it, RedRover, where are you? I would love to talk, but see you haven't been around for awhile. :-(

    Such bravery to state you are an Atheist at your first meetings! I can just imagine the faces in the room. I am also frustrated with the idea that being a non- believer is some "rebellious phase.". I have been told that I think I am "too smart for the program." Huh?
    The only way to survive alcoholism is to surrender my life and will to God. And if you don't believe in God, you can make ANYTHING your Higher Power...even a doorknob. Yes, I was told that I could, and should, surrender my power to a doorknob. Just believe! Sure. And cancer patients are meeting at Home Depot now, Aisle 9.

    Anyway, I would never in a million years discourage anyone from going to AA. You cannot find another support system so readily available 7 days a week. And it is free. I have met some amazing people in the rooms. And that is what I need. So for now, when they say "God" .....
    .... I say "Group Of Drunks."

    Thanks for sharing, RedRover ;-)

    Oct 11, 2012
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  • TrueBlue135

    God works for me personally as part of the equation--however, I have trouble with the whole 12-step approach and its dogmatism/brainwashing. I'm a believer but I hate the schematic, pseudo-scriptural way things are laid out. I have no interest in apologizing to people I may have hurt 25 years ago, for example. I'm sure they have forgotten about it long ago and are glad to be rid of me if we are no longer in touch (through Facebook!). I also have no desire to latch on to some "sponsor." I just have never encountered anyone I would want to have "in my face" over personal matters. I'd rather talk to God about many issues than some artificially-selected stranger.

    As with any group, you have to assimilate what holds true for you, contribute as much as you can, and remember that basically you are on your own. You are responsible for your own sobriety, whatever that entails. I have learned quite a lot about staying sober from AA. Another group that could help those who object to God-talk is SOS (Secular Organizations for Sobriety). Just Google it to find links.

    Oct 1, 2012
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  • atheist1

    is there a link for an agnostic/ atheist AA meeting online?

    Oct 1, 2012
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  • Jeem

    I was a diligent atheist for years. I really have no idea what "god" is, but I just stay open to the idea that some how I am part of something greater than myself. That's it, I don't complicate it.

    Sep 25, 2012
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  • Baglione

    Thanks Red. I just came from a speaker meeting at the close of which the speaker identified himself as an atheist. Sour looks around the room, of course, attended that disclosure, but for me it was a breath of fresh air. The lip service to the non-theist is so patently disingenuous, and the christian theology so

    Sep 20, 2012
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  • kittybeemine

    Hiya - Totally understand every word you say. I'm an alcoholic and everything you mentioned above went through my mind also. Also don't believe in god. Especially a religious God. Went to AA but couldn't believe in fairies just cause they said I had too. Hit rock bottom Christmas 2011 and went back to AA. Decided to get a sponser and do the steps. I was told just to believe in something more than myself even if it was just the meeting and the people in the rooms. So I did. I cleaned house. I changed my attitude. Was led to believe the world is not out to get me and that I have to trust other people. I'm not just sober anymore. I'm alive for the first time in many years. My point I suppose is this. We all have different paths to follow. If some people need a god to make them recover thats their path. Follow your own. I'm following mine and its leading to all kinds of awareness and today I am able to cope with life. I certainly couldn't before. Theres absolutely no point in being right is there? I have friends there now and yes - some of them are idiots! But thats life! Embrace it all. Good luck xx

    Aug 1, 2012
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  • Milktheostrich

    Three year old post, but I'll comment anyway. Also a non-believer, also an atheist. AA was definitely difficult. I don't pray. I don't think of God. I don't particularly like when people try to convince me to. AA people ultimately scare people like us away. We're not doing our program right, we're not letti g ourselves be helped, we're just not DOING it right. Psh. People in AA are crazy anyway. I mean, I get that none of us joined because we were so good at managing our lives, but some of those people are downright crazy. They need shock therapy, not meetings and cheap coffee and big books.



    My sponsor used to make me read the chapter "We Agnostics" every single night before I went to bed. And I did.



    Still left AA.

    Jun 23, 2012
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  • gabes

    As you indicate, if you take God out of the equation AA *does* work for atheists and agnostics.

    In 2012 in many parts of the US and in London, England, there are a fair number of secular meetings. And loads of other meetings have a decent contingent of atheist and agnostic members who exist in harmony and friendship with the believers.

    Feb 16, 2012
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  • HowBow

    In Chapter 4, Bill says that atheists and agnostics can never recover.

    We know his story: after drinking a quart of rotgut whiskey every day for years, he was back in a hospital ward: a hopeless drunk. They tried a dangerous experimental cure:belladonna.

    Bill saw God and never drank again. He then began his mission: an alcoholic's only hope of maintaining sobriety depended upon getting a miracle from God as he did - delivered every morning - but only if you ask him for it "just for today." This Higher Power makes no sense unless that power means God.

    Many believe in an invisible diety watching us, listening to our thoughts and providing a daily remission of our incurable illness. I am not superstitious. Science shows that you don't need God to be good. You don't need God to stay sober. You don't have a spiritual affliction. You have an addiction. You can beat it. Your higher power is your Rational Mind. Use it. No pain. No gain.

    I've been in AA for twenty years and I love it.

    Sep 18, 2011
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  • bonkey2

    I have been sober for 25 years in AA and I flat out tell them "I came here to stop drinking.. I did not come to sit around these meetings talking about god for the rest of my life. I also let them know if you do now want to listen to me go to any Step 3, 7 or 11 meeting because I won't be there. Luckily, here in Los Angeles, there are Agnostic/Atheist meetings which I started attending at 18 months in. I do believe it is unfair to the newcomer who has to listen to the religiousity, the way I did. If you really want to **** AA off, like I sometimes do, just mention "It is no wonder the success rate hovers around 5%". They will just say nobody knows, but like Charlie Sheen says it surely isn't a level to take bragging rights.



    Spiritual Al

    Los Angeles

    Mar 27, 2011
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  • Abbadun

    This question is for the Atheists in AA. The AA Literature describes Atheists as being the worst kind of people. Do you just ignore this? For me it makes me wonder about the mindset of the people who thought up AA.



    AB

    Feb 27, 2011
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  • akronqu

    After 11 years of A.A. I frequently feel like quitting now. Not that I want to drink, I don't want to hear about god all the time. That's why I'm here. I'm looking for some sanity online. I keep going to meetings because they work for me, and I hope to have the guts or just stop giving a damn to tell people what I really think about their god talk. Namely, I think they're causing great harm to A.A's primary purpose, which is to carry the message to the alcoholic who still suffers.

    I'll keep looking for that online meeting

    THX.

    -Andy K.

    Feb 8, 2011
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  • efuddman

    For all of you Atheist/Agnostics; Go get a coffee pot and start your own group. Just don’t call it A.A.

    Feb 7, 2011
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  • Moscagirl

    Thanks for the information. I am looking for an atheist/agnostic group myself. I have suffered with the disease, but now am suffering with the "AA cure". I just can't get behind magic powers will "take it away" from me.

    So I get to hear in meetings how arrogant and self-centered atheists such as myself are. That we don't believe in anything higher than our atheistic selves. Arrrgghh....I actually feel like I'm living in Sid and Marty Kroft's Backwardsville. This is the wonderland where people believe that a super-powerful omnipotent God takes a personal interest in them, and that I'm the one who's arrogant and self-centered because I don't.

    Can you give us a link to online meetings for atheists???? That would be most helpful!

    Jan 13, 2011
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  • Samisme

    To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in AA that says it is the only solution for our disease of alcoholism. When I put down the bottle, I was looking for help to not ever have to go through another day of drinking and the devastation it was creating in my life, not to mention the pain it was causing my family and a couple of friends,( didn't have many of them left). For me to drink, was for me to die. I was told to keep an open mind and I did. I was agnostic when I came into the rooms and now I do believe in a higher power and live a very spiritual life. I have an amazing life today, 14 years later. People can call their higher power whatever they choose, it only needs to be a name, but it may become much more than that. I don't have to be a drunk any longer, one day at a time!!

    Jan 6, 2011
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  • Jeem

    I'm a bit in agreeance with Saratoga girl..



    If you're holding on to excuses, you're probably not ready for the prgram. Or maybe its just not for you. Trust me if you decide not to do the program it's of no loss to AA. By all means do what you feel or think l is right.

    Jan 5, 2011
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  • SaratogaGirl

    If you have trouble with GOD how about believing in the Program as a power greater than yourself?



    IMHO, deciding to quite the Program because of your personal definition of Higher Power is just someone giving themselves permission to drink again.

    Jan 5, 2011
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  • Jeem

    I see a lot of talk about AA. All I can really think of is what one member told me.



    " AA is not for people who need it, nor is it for people who want it. It is simply for people who are willing to do it ".



    If other people are in the way of you going top AA, then AA may just not be for you?? I don't agree with with how lot of AA people behave, but I'm there for me not for them. They have their own agenda and I have mine. I find a way to coincide with them because I am willing to.

    Jan 5, 2011
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