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T___T God is with you.. From the start.. Thanks God for giving you those trials:)) Because the trials you experience ..Give me courage to Stand firm:))

you have been chosen by God to bring others into his message of truth and Love just as he used your friend to help bring you stay strong my sister in Christ.

Amen and being with God power is amazing things we have different callings but somehow its for you and im sure as you grow up with God vocation im sure alot of things will come and your always be protected by spirits and the wisdom given to you.

Your God destroyed my life. And he keep going on. When will you open your eyes and see that's he's the really evil? You're all blind.and weak, I can help if you want. Just ask and I can open your mind and show how danger and poison is God.

God bless, inspiring story

brokenyetstrong, I find in religious controversy that respect is earned when you make your points based on informed research and not just on the basis of supposition or hearsay. Christians should always be willing to agree on scriptural teachings as consistently interpreted and practised from the time of the Apostles.

I am amazed to hear that you believe all these things without having the courage to carefully check them out for yourself. Thank you for your conversation thus far. I am sorry you have terminated this conversation. I will respect your wishes, but believe you are making a very large mistake in not looking into the claims of the Catholic Church. I sincerely wish you well, and may the blessing of Jesus Christ be upon you. Never be frightened of the truth. Always seek the truth, and follow where it leads.

It's funny that you say catholic churches do not contradict God, as they pray to saints and the virgin mary, they've been known to except payments in return of supposed entrance to heaven, they hold the pope equal to God, and they believe that priest have the power to forgive. And no these are not speculations, as people of the catholic church have told me this, themselves. And this is where our conversation ends. I do not buy into the catholic teachings. So you are wasting your breath.

Let us look at whether scripture in any way, justifies such a change as you assert, as a fact. Christ, of course, accepting the Old law prior to fulfilling and perfecting it by His new revelation, observed Saturday.

1. But He Himself prepared the way for the change of day.

2. He defended His disciples when the Jews accused them of not observing the Sabbath strictly in the traditional sense. Matt. XII., 1-8.

3. He rebukes a too severe an interpretation of the Sabbath law. Lk. XIII., 10-16; XIV., 1-5; Jn. V., 9-18; VII., 22.

4. He shows His authority to do as He may please with the Sabbath. Mk. II., 27-28.

5. Nowhere does He re-assert the obligation of observing the Jewish Sabbath.

6. Never does He quote the Jewish law.



In marked constrast, the New Testament pays special honour to Sunday.

1. Christ arose on a Sunday.

2. He appeared to His apostles on a Sunday.

3. He chose the following Sunday to appear to them when St. Thomas was present.

4. Fifty days later, He chose Sunday for the bestowal of the Holy Spirit upon His Church.

5. The first Catholics themselves observed Sunday from the very beginning. "On the FIRST day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread." Acts XX., 7.

6. Saint Paul rebuked the Galatians because of their tendency to revert to Jewish customs, and above all their observance of Jewish days, AS IF THEY WERE STILL BINDING. Gal IV., 9-10.

7. To the Corinthians he wrote, "As I have given order to the churches of Galatia, SO DO YE ALSO. On the FIRST day of the week let every one of you put apart..........what it shall well please him" towards the collection on behalf of the Church. I Cor., XVI., 1-2.

8. In Rev. I., 10. St. John tells us that he was in the spirit "on the Lord's day," that is on the day on which Christ rose from the dead, and which was already dedicated to Him as sacred in a special way.

This doesn't sound like a "MAN instilled authority" to me, and hopefully proves my point from scripture.

You say that God does not contradict what He says.

On that argument

1. He could not have changed from the Old Law to the New Law,

2. nor from the Jews to the Catholics.

3. Our Lord said, "You have heard it said in the Law; but now I say unto you."

4. And, He deliberately abrogated certain Jewish legislation concerning marriage.

He CERTAINLY admitted the possibility of some changes.

Concerning your "one jot or tittle...................from the Law until all is fulfilled," quote. God is not a liar and the Catholic Church is not wrong. God Himself predicted in Isaiah II., 2-3. that He would establish a visible Church to which all nations would come, and that out of that Church the law would proceed to teach us His ways. In due time He sent His only Son, who established the Catholic Church, and She tells us God's present law. God has not changed. The law has been fulfilled as He promised. If one decides to do different successive things, one's decision does not change merely because the undertakings change successively. The Jews decided to observe Saturday, and the Catholics, in view of what they knew of God's present wishes, decided to observe Sunday. The Sabbath was not changed but TRANSFERRED to Sunday, and the Bible itself backs up the legitimacy of this change. I hope you check these claims out.

Briefly, the Catholic Church is the one true Church and Catholic beliefs (correctly understood) do not contradict the Bible (correctly understood.)

I must say here I only use the Douay - Rheims Bible as it is an absolutely faithful translation into English of the Latin Vulgate Bible, which St. Jerome translated into Latin FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES. He spoke Greek from birth, and being an educated man, he also knew Latin perfectly; speaking it as we do English. He also knew Hebrew and Aramaic nearly as well. He also learned Chaldaic just so he could check the translation of the Book of Daniel. He lived at Bethlehem close enough to consult with the learned rabbis. He was a towering linguistic genius and a great saint, and he had access to ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of the second and third centuries which have since perished and are no longer available today. It was a WORD FOR WORD rendering of the original texts into Latin. It is, without doubt the best version around.

Also, while we can not know for certain if we will make it to heaven, we can be certain that if we are working towards heaven, then we can already think that we will make it, provided we go wherever truth leads.

You say your "faith is true and strong" but can you be sure your understandings are based on reason and not just on feelings?

On the changing of the day, because of "MAN instilled authority" I will return, as my daughter wants me to take her to her Irish dancing class.

*then you should do your own research.

ok, so your telling me the Catholic faith is the only TRUE faith of God. Interesting, how you can tell me that, when so many catholic beliefs contradict the bible, itself. However, I will not go into that. But I will say, I think your the on who is mislead. My faith is true and quite strong. I take His presence wherever I go. And another thing, you say no one can be sure of their salvation I disagree. If you read the writings of the apostle's, I am quite sure that you can see it very clearly, that they knew they would be reunited with Jesus one day, as a person is truly saved should. I am a Christian first, a Seventh Day adventist second. Oh and another thing, the Sabbath is the Seventh day, as stated in the fourth commandment, however the Roman Catholic church changed it today, because of MAN-instilled authority, not God's, as God does not contradict what he says. And he made it quite clear that, "For assuredly, I say to you, wtill heaven and earth pass away, one 2jot or one 3tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." In Matthew 5:18. And if you don't believe that they are the one's who changed it.

No one can be sure of their eventual salvation, and I am not rash enough in making any predictions about whether or not you personally, will make it to heaven, though I hope to see you there and we can laugh about all this then. In the mean-time, you must re-read my earlier answer carefully to see that I have not presumed anything in your case. Most people do not do what is necessary to save their soul and thus lose it. How do you avoid hell? Since you do not have the true Faith, you could scarcely know that the Catholic Faith is none other than God's own religion. Those outside this Faith have only a vague notion at best of what is entailed in the task of saving one's soul. And when one probes their thinking, he usually finds a personal religious philosophy that has been haphazardly assembled from various sources - a partial understanding of the Bible, early (and rather incomplete and poorly remembered) religious instruction, personal experience, the example of others, worldly "wisdom," and so forth - but yet their personal moral philosophy (as exemplified by their actions) almost always condones and/or accepts things which are DIRECTLY AT VARIANCE with what Our Lord Himself has said will lead a person to Hell. Whether such people are sincere I cannot judge, for I cannot see inside their consciences. That they are confused and living by a patchwork quilt of pieced together moral philosophy, and that their philosophy contradicts in some points what Christ explicitly taught (e.g., "He that shall marry her that is put away committeth adultery" - Matt. 5:32) is obvious. Here I may recall James 2:10 "And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all." You make some other erroneous points, but it seems you have a good heart and genuinely seek the truth. Seek and you shall find.

Thank you for your concern, however, I am not going to hell. If you want to be technical, no denomination was established by Christ himself, as their were no denominations in his life. And no, the Bible does not say to keep "Saturdays" holy, as our days different. However, since the beginning, the Seventh day was set aside as a holy day of rest. However, it is not works that will send me to heaven,but the grace of God. Not only that, but as a man, and not God, who are you to tell me whether I'm going to heaven, or not. And the TRUE church of Christ is not judged by a denomination nor man made doctrine, but by those who truly love Christ with all their hearts, and proclaim it with their tongues as well as their hearts, and choose to follow his laws, Which I do. So thank you, but I am not going to hell. Of this, I am sure

I am sorry to hear of the sad knocks you have had in life and glad of the Providence of God in bringing you to a group of people who have given you support. They are sincere people and God will reward them for their kindness to you. But, I have to say that your mother was right about one thing. She told you you weren't a real Christian, and she was right in that. You see the Bible nowhere so much as hints that the followers of Christ must observe Saturday. If one really wishes for the true religion of Christ, he certainly could not become a Seventh Day Adventist. If you believe in Christ, you must believe that He kept His promises. He said, "I will build My Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." His true Church must have been founded by Him personally, and it could never go wrong. I am not speaking here of the people in it for each one of us certainly CAN go wrong. But who commenced the Seventh Day Adventists? And when? Certainly Christ did not establish that sect. It began in the 19th century - 19 centuries too late to be the work of Christ.. The Seventh Day Adventists are simply an offshoot of the Millerites, the followers of William Miller who began to give his religious ideas to the world in 1831. The kindly people who are your friends are mistaken and deluded. You must look further for this Church that He established if you do not wish the second part of your mom's prophecy to come true.

I'm so sorry to hear about what you've been through before you found God but on the lighter side, i'm so glad that you found Him around the SDA family. Keep the faith! God speed