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Gloria Steinem: How The Cia Used Feminism To Destabilize Society

March 18, 2002



by Henry Makow Ph.D.

"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."

Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.

Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979.

Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job."

Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.

In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots.

One of Steinem's CIA colleagues was Clay Felker. In the early 1960's, he became an editor at Esquire and published articles by Steinem which established her as a leading voice for women's lib. In 1968, as publisher of New York Magazine, he hired her as a contributing editor, and then editor of Ms. Magazine in 1971. Warner Communications put up almost all the money although it only took 25% of the stock. Ms. Magazine's first publisher was Elizabeth Forsling Harris, a CIA-connected PR executive who planned John Kennedy's Dallas motorcade route. Despite its anti establishment image, MS magazine attracted advertising from the cream of corporate America. It published ads for ITT at the same time as women political prisoners in Chile were being tortured by Pinochet, after a coup inspired by the US conglomerate and the CIA.

Steinem's personal relationships also belie her anti establishment pretensions. She had a nine-year relationship with Stanley Pottinger, a Nixon-Ford assistant attorney general, credited with stalling FBI investigations into the assassinations of Martin Luther King, and the ex-Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Latelier. In the 1980's, she dated Henry Kissinger. For more details, see San Francisco researcher Dave Emory.

Our main misconception about the CIA is that it serves US interests. In fact, it has always been the instrument of a dynastic international banking and oil elite (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan) coordinated by the Royal Institute for Internal Affairs in London and their US branch, the Council for Foreign Relations. It was established and peopled by blue bloods from the New York banking establishment and graduates of Yale University's secret pagan "Skull and Bones" society. Our current President, his father and grandfather fit this profile.

The agenda of this international cabal is to degrade the institutions and values of the United States in order to integrate it into a global state that it will direct through the United Nations. In its 1947 Founding Charter, the CIA is prohibited from engaging in domestic activities. However this has never stopped it from waging a psychological war on the American people. The domestic counterpart of the "Congress for Cultural Freedom" was the "American Committee for Cultural Freedom." Using foundations as conduits, the CIA controlled intellectual discourse in the 1950's and 1960's, and I believe continues to do so today. In "The Cultural Cold War," Francis Stonor Saunders estimates that a thousand books were produced under the imprint of a variety of commercial and university presses, with covert subsidies.

The CIA's "Project Mockingbird" involved the direct infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets. "By the early 1950's," writes Deborah Davis, in her book "Katherine the Great," the CIA owned respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communication vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all." In 1982 the CIA admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have acted as case officers to agents in the field. Philip Graham, publisher of the Washington Post, who ran the operation until his "suicide" in 1963, boasted that "you could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple of hundred dollars a month."

I was born in 1949. Idealists in my parent's generation were disillusioned when the Communist dream of universal brotherhood turned out to be a shill for a brutal despotism. My own generation may discover that our best instincts have also been manipulated and exploited. There is evidence that the 60's drug counter culture, the civil rights movement, and anti-war movement, like feminism, were CIA directed. For example, the CIA has admitted setting up the (National Student Association as a front in 1947 http://www.cia-on-campus.org/nsa/nsa2.html). In the early 1950's the NSA opposed the attempts of the House Un American Activities Committee to root out Communist spies. According to Phil Agee Jr., NSA officers participated in the activities of SNCC, the militant civil rights group, and Students for a Democratic Society, a radical peace group.

According to Mark Riebling, the CIA also may have used Timothy Leary. Certainly the agency distributed LSD to Leary and other opinion makers in the 1960s. Leary made a generation of Americans turn away from active participation in society and seek fulfillment "within." In another example of the CIA's use of drugs to interfere in domestic politics, Gary Webb describes how in the 1980's, the CIA flooded Black ghettos with cocaine.

I won't attempt to analyze the CIA's motivation except to suggest what they have in common: They demoralized, alienated and divided Americans. The elite operates by fostering division and conflict in the world. Thus, we don't realize who the real enemy is. For the same reason, the CIA and elite foundations also fund the diversity and multicultural movements.

Feminism has done the most damage. There is no more fundamental yet delicate relationship in society than male and female. On it depends the family, the red blood cell of society. Nobody with the interests of society at heart would try to divide men and women. Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy.

Man loves woman. His first instinct is to nurture ("husband") and see her thrive. When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium.

Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere "stereotypes." This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell are advanced as role models.

All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children.

Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed.

Women's oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe. My mother had a successful business in the 1950's importing watchstraps from Switzerland. When my father's income increased, she was content to quit and concentrate on the children. Women were free to pursue careers if they wanted to. The difference was that their role as wife and mother was understood, and socially validated, as it should be.

Until Gloria Steinem and the CIA came along.

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You should do some reading about what MRAs encourage about marriage, family, and relationships

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-In-Traditional-Roles-Within-Marriage/3639021

Then tell me that you still believe that feminists are the ones who are against traditional families, and are destroying marriages and families.

I will do.

I suspect the MRA group or following has formed out of a backlash to the feminist movement. I had never heard of this group before your comment and I don't think that such a small fringe group could have a widespread affect on the larger population. I would agree that many feminists support marriage but what nominal feminists don't appreciate is the damage the feminist movement has done to marriage. So although most feminists love being married, do they ever wonder why most marriages don't last past a couple years and then from there are jumping to the 2nd or 3rd marriages? These aren't real marriages. Something has happened to the foundation of marriage. Most would agree that feminism has turned marriages upside down.

People no longer bond with each other for life. Sexual promiscuity destroys the ability to bond.

...Fnord...

Mr. Makow has been known for doing his homework!!!



Yes, they want the man cowering to his woman, and they want both fools working so their kids are left alone (among many other things)!!!!



The fact that we live in a resource based world that has absolutely nothing to do with money should be enough for the brainwashed (or sleepers if they prefer) to wake up and see that the fake feminism movement had nothing to do with equality, and everything to do with destroying the family institution, PERIOD!!!



Just like the fake gay rights scam they're pedaling now has absolutely nothing to do with equality, and everything to do with promoting the lifestyle of the single, childless, gay male (and female), in order to destroy the Family, PERIOD!!!!! I'm not gay bashing!!!



Sleepers, these monsters don't care about the populace, yes, that includes you and every single member of your family. They hate all of us!!!!!

Yes they hate us...the "eaters"

Please respond with authenicity....support ...and respect ..


meow

Very interesting article.

She did not actually work for the CIA. For appr. 4 years (1958-1962) she worked for the Independent Research Service which was an organization that was secretly funded by the CIA. She did not "work for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings". Her job was to recruit non-communist American students in the US to attend the World Festival of Youth and Students. She was also a Playboy bunny and her article revealed the abusive way playboy bunnies were treated. They were required to wear painful and injurious costumes, and serve customers in painful and injurious ways. They were required to maintain their weight, looks, and figure according to strict Playboy guidelines, work long hours, and accept minimal pay. They also had to tolerate humiliating and harassing treatment, but had no options to obtain better employment because most of them were uneducated and had limited finances, and back then decent paying jobs for females like them were very limited.



Henry Makow is a paranoid Canadian conspiracy theorist and very little of what he writes should be taken seriously.

And you have fun being an obnoxious, ridiculing, arrogant, egotistical, know-it-all, peeping-tom, ******* who thinks men are superior to women, obviously has issues with women and hates women, and constantly tries to put us down, and calls us names, you jerk. Do some objective research moron, instead of just thinking that what you want to believe is always correct and true, and that everyone will believe the ridiculous nonsense an obvious freak like you constantly spews out.

Whatever missteps feminists had-they are no more sinister than any other movement for equality. I am personally grateful to my sisters as it would have harder getting accepted to law school than the 3 years of study were.

The CIA has a reason for what it does. People should watch what they say about them.

Interesting. Way too many branches and not enough roots on that tree to hold up in my mind. But I agree that Steinem has injected many lies and much misguided rage in to the American psyche.

Ooh, I love the CIA now. I didn't know they funded "Ms." Smart women, those CIA folks. Put me down as strongly for the New World Order if it is run by feminists!

Diversity and multicultural movements? Horrors! You are right! Let us begin by returning THIS continent to it's original cultural and diversity status, before white men stole it all, with the help of those less white Spaniards and Portuguese.

Never mind...that won't fly. Instead lets just invest in education and stop the errors of the past. Step one is encourage FEMINISM!

no you are!

Am not. I'm enlightened.

"Oh never mind a woman having any money independently of her own is against your "morality".

ME. Women having bank accounts and investments in their own names has never been controversial in the USA.



"I would prefer NOT to be taken back to the 1950"s thank you."

ME. It was a time, where a woman wanting to do many things raised eyebrows, all right, but also a time when women were more respected than now. And when women respected men more for being men.



"I LIKE NOT being at the mercy of EVERY SINGLE male on the planet."

ME. Never has been the case in North America.



"How nice it is Not to have to allow myself to be raped and beaten by my spouse..."

ME. Wife beating was condemned at the time. In those days, women also silently understood that granting a man sex whenever he wanted it would augment his passion for her and buy marital peace. But would you really call that marital rape??



"...how nice that we don't have to quit working because we get married or give birth."

ME. How nice would it be to live in a social order that did not pretend that women can be wives, mothers, and careerists, all without giving rise to strains and dilemmas.



"...how great I can drive to the store on my own in my own car, how magnificent that I don't need a male to escort me. I am so thankful I do not have to cover myself from head to toe for fear that a male might see me. How wonderful I do not live under the fear of stoning if I should be raped. "

ME. You describe Saudi Arabia today, but not the USA 2 or more generations ago.



Writing in 1835, Tocqueville was astonished at the freedom of movement and thought that American women seemed to enjoy when compared with their European sisters.

Amen sister! He a strong women. I love my husband but he's not an *** so yup! I like having my job, car, money, and whatever I want too! The house in both names.

"You have just DEMONSTRATED MY POINT!!! OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!



DEGENERATE!!!"



Wow. Where to start?



Those were extreme examples of the most despicable things you could accuse someone of. It's called hyperbole. The point was clearly, obviously to anyone with a grasp of reality, that even if someone is a terrible person, it doesn't make them wrong about everything. If Hitler told you the sky was blue, you wouldn't prove him wrong by saying "yeah but you killed millions of people so what you think doesn't matter". Debate the issue, not the person.



Did you seriously think I'm a big fan of baby rape, or were you just that desperate to score a cheap point?

" So what if Gloria Steinem was a puppy eating baby rapist? "



SO WHAT???!!



You have just DEMONSTRATED MY POINT!!! OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!



DEGENERATE!!!

It is by their design to break up the family unit...because FAMILIES throughout history STOOD UP FOR EACH OTHER!!!!



And THAT is why the "family" has been under cultural attack for decades.

Seems to me that the 3 women you got mad at seemed to stick up for one another quite well, while all your normal cohorts are nowhere to be found.

Where are they now?

I did not STEER the comments on this story, I merely responded to the comments.



"How does it achieve this goal?" you ask.



By denigration of strong family units. Both parents pay income tax...and the "kids" spend their early childhood in the hands of "the state" If you do not understand...that feminism was not agrass roots movement, but engineered by elites.



And the UN is drenched in marxist values., and ALL of these foundations..institutions work IN TANDEM...they work TOGETHER...and you are COMPLETLY and TOTALLY UNINFORMED about how the world works.



Google: Aaron Russo /' Nick Rockefeller.. reasons for feminism.."womens lib"



"An entirely seperate body.. you say"



That's what YOU THINK!!!

"By denigration of strong family units. Both parents pay income tax...and the "kids" spend their early childhood in the hands of "the state" That is a choice some people, but not all people, make. And just so you know . . . most daycare facilities where young children may be cared for while their parents are at work are privately owned and operated, and are not owned or run by "the state". It is not a governmental mandate that women work. I am a feminist, but in my first marriage I chose to be a stay at home mom/housewife. We did not have three or four fancy cars; or a huge house; or designer clothes and other things; or tons of toys for the kids and us. We didn't go on expensive vacations, or eat at fancy restaurants, or eat gourmet meals all of the time, but we had everything we needed. Many other people in society have managed to do the same thing, and found ways for a wife who wants to stay home with her kids and be a housewife to do so. If some people would look at the amount of money they spend on daycare for their children, and clothing and other things that are needed for the wife to work, they might realize that the amount they are spending so the wife can work, is equal to, or greater than, the income she is earning as a result, and if she wants to stop working and be a stay at home mom/housewife she can. The difference is that if she doesn't want to be a stay at home mom/housewife, and actually wants to have a career, feminism has made it possible for her to now have that choice.

I'm not sure why the comments on this story are mired in a debate about the merits of feminism. Your story doesn't address the merits of feminism. Your story says things like this;



"The agenda of this international cabal [The CIA] is to degrade the institutions and values of the United States in order to integrate it into a global state that it will direct through the United Nations."



A) What?

B) How does feminism advance this goal?

C) What influence does the CIA have over the UN, an entirely separate body?

D) Seriously, WHAT?



Final point; this whole article is one massive ad hominem argument. So what if Gloria Steinem was a puppy eating baby rapist? That doesn't have any bearing on the arguments feminists make in support of their position.

Yes, thank you Alicia87, a scholar and a friend.

Wow, such a spirited conversation going on here...



While I am grateful for people like my Godmother who would go on marches and burn her bra so that I can grow up being seen as an "equal" to a male, I honestly believe feminism has gone way too far. I considered myself a feminist all through high school, until I got to college and saw that feminists are just plain nuts. They are honestly the most rude people I've ever met. They don't want equal rights for all women, they just want equal rights for women who think like them. In my mind, equality would be a person choosing what she wants to do... Well, what if a woman WANTS to stay home and raise her children? What if a woman WANTS to save herself for marriage? What if a woman WANTS a traditionally female job (such as a receptionist, etc.)? Why does a "real" woman have to be a slutty, unmarried engineer? This is not the life I want, and I'm more than happy to give up feminism so I can do what I want. My goals in life aren't to become the first woman (insert male dominated field here), or make a million dollars a year, or sleep with 50 men before I turn 50. I am a loving, nurturing person who is happy to be in my female-dominated field (teacher), happy to take care of my sick parents instead of shoving them in a nursing home, and happy to be in a healthy relationship in which I am saving myself for marriage. This is MY life and these are MY choices. Most feminists would tell me that I am oppressed by my religion or something for making these choices. But I suppose that is the beauty (and the irony) of it. They are MY choices in spite of my supposed "oppression."

I disagree most feminists say we fought for you to have the right TO CHOOSE, and are glad we helped you live a life you are happy in.

You have "helped" me do nothing. Get over yourself.

You have no idea how much feminism has helped you...and everyone. You do not know what feminism is.

And you are a typical feminist, putting down any woman who doesn't blindly agree with everything you believe. The woman above said feminism is about choosing. I choose to disagree with you. And you insult my intelligence. Please, ladies, continue to paint yourselves into corners. It's most amusing.

Alicia you are exactly right feminism hasn't done not one damn thing for you. The suffrage movement earned you the vote. Not feminism. Feminism has nothing to do with equal rights. Its all about female supremacy and male hate. You earned everything on your own. You see the truth. Good for you.

She knows exactly what feminism is. And she has rejected it. Good for her.

Rock on, knightrunner. :)

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You 3 are ******* plain and simple, you think you can bully others into thinking and agreeing with you. Your a WHAT??? a doctor??? I have NPD...., I don't even know what that is...is it a new "diagnosis" that evil white coat criminals line their pockets with? HMMM? Are you one of those charlatan mental health people that diagnose every one and their dog with some kind of neurosis, that is curable only by pharmaceuticals that render the poor patient more suicidal/homicidal than before you got your greedy evil talons into them?? Doctors are full of crap., and so are psychologists...your reign of "walking around like Dr, Kildare" is coming to an end. No one is impressed with your bullshit, because we have seen the results of your so-called "treatment" on our loved ones...Guess what? Radiation cause cancer!!., It is not a cure...DUH!!! And your so-called education is controlled by the global elite. Anything that you paid thousands of dollars to learn...a 15 year old could self-teach at home. You dumb squarehead!

Under normal circumstances I would jump right in and help you argue with these people. But after having dealings with them myself i can say that feminist aren't people. They have had their humanity brain washed out of them. You can't argue with them. Their minds no longer function. Come join us at the MRA where rational thought is always welcome.

Remember you've done nothing when you have bested a fool.

They are *******? Do you read the mean, nasty, arrogant, critical, bitchy things you write about people who disagree with you, and have you looked at your avatar lately?

Hey I meant to like your comment not dislike ....stupid phone.

No you are correct in that I have never operated a forklift, had I known I needed to in order to speak on any given subject, I would have done so. Your college education does not impress me, you are also correct in that no employer in their right mind would hire you.....for anything! Narcissistic liars tend to be very poor employees...even if it is to just drive a forklift. Your continual sniping at others education, work background, and relationships with men shows vividly your pronounced and deep seated NPD. (as a physician I am well qualified to say that even though I don't drive a forklift) As far as your snipe about Helen Reddy, look up your facts. I mentioned her because her song was the "anthem" of the 60's radical feminists you so loathe. Ooops, pull your pants up and tighten that tool belt missy, your *** is showing again.

Giggles I might be in love with you.

I'm with DenteAvvelenato.

Me too.

The very same forces behind "the drug culture" were the very same forces behind "the second wave"of feminism...the results were the same...denigration of "family" ...when you do not have family, you become vulnerable against "the state"...and that's what it was really about..truth be told...whether "The Feminists" like it or not.

Thank you Bitterdregs for your rational well-balanced comments

undertone

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I do believe is more difficult for women who go into male dominated fields. Much of the reason for that though is due to how women have abused the rights they won.On the flip side, the men have been being programmed toward surreal expectations of women. Discard after they are worn basically. Yet another media manouvre to break up families. See my post. EP Link#comment_embed



My oldest daughter is involved in a feminist group. I was chagrinned at first but the new feminists...and I mean new as in of the last 3 or 4 years, seem to be reversing what their predecessors have done. The new groups are more about the right to be traditionally feminine.



Unfortunately the traditional family seems to have disolved for the most part. What the CIA did not expect was...that the urge for family is deeply ingrained and we will find family even if we have no blood relatives or partner. The universe tends to bring families together in one way or another.



What the original feminsists did was a damn good thing and I applaud them. Equality is a must for every human's sanity. Wiping out traditional roles caused many problems though. This was largely accomplished by the hippie free love culture. At first "free love" meant to love thy neighbor as thyself. Then it became to have sex with anyone and simply walk away. This left hundreds of thousands of fatherless children with the mothers ending up on welfare or having to go into the workplace and turning their kids into latch-key kids. At that point we had a whole generation who never knew what a traditional family was. Their motto is every man for himself and there is almost 0 respect.



The drug culture of the 60's was CIA induced. It's main objective was experimentation in mind control on individual and mass levels. That's how free love became free sex.Don't get me wrong, I am a very strong minded and opinionated woman. I actually think more like a man in many ways and probably would have offed myself had I been born 150 years ago. I would want equaity yes...but the destruction of the family unit is a line that needs to be drawn. They wrap it up pretty and call it individualtiy but it's really a lack of cohesivness and it makes us easier to control. True individuality comes from who you are on the inside, not who you don't need.

And FYI I am a college educated in the library sciences as well as an industrial equipment operator specializing in DG's. And I can tell you this...no employer in their right mind would hire me "over a male" my size because of natural upper body strength., and I am not stupid enough to take STEROIDS in order to compete!! Now, have any of you big mouths operated forklifts? Booms? Order pickers? 250 2 stroke Race motocross bikess?? I thought not.

Well yes, actually I have, and it wasn't that difficult and definitely didn't take much intelligence. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I never "raced" motocross "bikess" officially if that is what you were saying (kind of illegible), but I have ridden them and raced them with my friends and family.

I had no IDEA you three were "wiccans" when I called you "witches". that is just ironic., and funny to me. Because I posted this story... it was YOU 3 who "ganged up" on me because I had something to express...that You did not like., you see everything in "black and white" you remind me of "fossils" from the 60's and 70's. Gloria Stienhams ties to the CIA/Rockefellers is documented fact. And if you think for ONE minute that any CIA funded "quiet revolution" was "for the good of women"., you are sadly mistaken. All this article points to is that "the revolution" was not grass roots., but driven by a global elite that serves to break up strong family ties. And as you can see from the first reaction., I am not the only one who feels this way. I don't care about "the Q&A, and that you saw it. So? What can you do to me?? Put 3 hexes and a "whammy" on me?.. Sabrina?



"Oh, and by the way, the right to free speech was NOT part of feminism..".... Oh, you nailed that one, because YOUR version does not allow anyone to question anything., except if Gloria STIENBLECH does. I gave Alicia87 BA., you might want to check it out and look in "the mirror"

To yell and call people illiterate, spazcases, and witches (in a demeaning manner) simply shows that you are, indeed, a small minded human. You have every right to copy and paste all the conspiracy therories you wish but others have that same right to comment and ask you to give your personal opinion (if you are capable of backing it up....you were not born in the 50's either, so get down off your high and mighty thrown). I grew up listening and watching the likes of Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan and Helen Reddy (the poster child for Feminism). But if you cannot have a civil debate and know that is was the 2nd wave of feminism, then you are correct....there is very little to discuss. I was not born in 1900 but I am quite conversant on the fact that the Representation of the People Act was passed finally giving women a vote....only if they were older than 29 yrs and held property. Men made sure women had a difficult time holding said property by passing state laws giving the state or male members of a family the property when a man died. His wife was left with nothing. It was 1929 before a bill was passed allowing a woman the right to work outside the home....but ONLY if she wasn't married. As late as the early 70's it took fighting for me to be allowed into my chosen medical field (yes, this bitchy, wiccan, feminist is a card carrying MD specializing in Medical Examiner! Bet you thought I didn't see your nasty little Q&A board remarks :) There were feminists that took things a bit too far and those I didn't agree with, but all in all, young lady, we needed someone to fight to have rights just like our male counterparts. All of feminism isn't some wild and wooly CIA conspiracy to bring down the world. Oh, and by the way, the right to free speech was NOT part of feminism.....who didn't do their homework?? uh-oh.....gotcha! If you didn't fly off the handle you could have had an amazing, interesting discussion with three intelligent, educated women.....your loss!

"Pooly" written...your words...and I am an "unthinking" "SALVE" like cold cream?? OK and...Who said I was insistent on anything, you are the one spouting off...and "You have a brin and you are free to use it" Sure..you can use your "brin" whatever the hell that is...and...as a matter of fact I own my own home...and guess what??? My grandmother owned property and EVERYTHING!!! Your perception of the past is "distorted" kinda like your grasp of the English language and "spelling" You are an angry little illiterate deeateminus aren't you? I have a right to offend and **** you off, that is what freedom of speech means...I might **** YOU off...so what??

You don't **** us off... you prove our point...

Your grandmother owned "everything"? Nu-uh!
You missed several periods in your writing.
Comma after "distorted", "kinda" begins a subordinate phrase.
Learn to write...after you learn to think.

Oops! I incorporated a comma splice rather than using a semi colon! Damn! Guess I'm not perfect either.

One did not have to be around in the 50's to KNOW about it. I was raised by my grandparents so unfortunately I had to fight these ridiculous stereotypes. It would not matter how many times I would read that nonsense It isn't going to make it better. It is not only Pooly written but it is complete swill.



My point of contention is not that fact you choose to live as a subservient, unthinking salve, My issue is YOUR insistent that EVERY woman has to live under such conditions. I have a brin That I am now free to use. I have oppertunities I can explore and I don't need any male permission to do it.



And as far as men Cherishing women. Here is a clue for you. To have and to hold, is the conveyance of property. NOT endearment. It has nothing to do with love and EVERYTHING to do with Property rights. So Kid your self if you want but DO NOT INSIST EVERYONE adhere to YOUR version of Morality.



If you believe so strongly then I hope your putting your money where your mouth is.

Do not have a Job. Do not own property. DO not Drive, Do not Vote. Do not have one single dime that you do not need to ask for. Do not go to school. (your almost there you can at least read).

Stay away from the Government. and the "affairs of men"



be a servant if you wish but this nonsense of trying to force everyone to be like you, sorry I will die fighting that!

I applaud this... thank you!

@ Cheeky- just brilliant