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Gloria Steinem: How The Cia Used Feminism To Destabilize Society

Posted March 5th, 2010 at 4:26AM

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  1. Artsydesigns - 31-35 years old - female

    Posted by Artsydesigns on Mar 6th, 2010 at 2:25AM, last updated Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:59PM

    A wonderful comment, interesting, and thoughtful, many views on this, and for now, I see how nice it is to share thoughts, feelings and ones view, freedom allows that, and I cherish my freedom and privacy too:) Just be you, I appreciate reading your thoughts and you have made many good points. I wish I could enjoy here again, but being stalked has driven me away I am sorry to say. hugs;)

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  2. mwlthw - 51-55 years old - male

    Reply by mwlthw Apr 10th, 2012 at 5:36PM

    Ms. Artsy, I speak for society (says me) . Please do not be like a man. Feminism stole nothing, you are free to be feminine. And YOU ARE feminist, unless you believe you are less than a man.

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  3. Reply by An EP User Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:23PM

    I don't think society tries to convince us we must be like men. I am very feminine, but I am a feminist. Feminism is what gave women the option to be like a man if they want to instead of insisting that they just be a wife and a mother, and obey their husband. It gave women rights and choices they never had before.

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  4. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 6th, 2010 at 3:30AM

    You are vry welcome., Artsydesigns. I remember how feminism was shoved at us on a daily basis in the 60's and 70's, there was not a sitcom that wasn't shouting about "women's lib"

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  5. CheekyGeek - 41-45 years old

    Posted by CheekyGeek on Mar 7th, 2010 at 9:49PM

    So do YOU actually have an opinion. YOu might want to check into getting some royalties or at the very least a 10% advertising fee... Oh never mind a woman having any money independently of her own is against your "morality" That is fine for you. However I would preferr NOT to be takin back to the to the 1950"s thank you. I LIKE NOT being at the mercy of EVERY SINGLE male on the planet. How nice it is Not to have to allow myself to be raped and beaten by my spouse, how nice that we don't have to quit working because we get married or give birth. how great I can drive to the store on my own in my own car, how magnificent that I don't need a male to escort me. I am so thankful I do not have to cover myself from head to toe for fear that a male might see me. How wonderful I do not live under the fear of stoning if I should be raped.
    Yes I am very thankful

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  6. alteredego - 46-50 years old - female

    Posted by alteredego on Mar 7th, 2010 at 9:53PM

    I'm with Cheeky on this one. How about you try writing something with your own words instead of copying someone else's work? I might actually respect you then.

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  7. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 7th, 2010 at 9:57PM

    Ok YOU NEED TO READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN., and furthermore...were you around in the 50's??? NO!! Right. What a stupid distorted view you have of the past!!! I happen to have family bibles dating back 200 years!!! The point is, the "feminist view" that was FED to us was a lie!! OK??? Sometimes what we learn ...is WRONG...sometimes, there is more than just ONE SIDE TO THE STORY> This is an alternate view., and it is a TABOO. If you truly BELIEVE in the BS that you spout, than you would be safe to ALLOW another point of view...RIGHT?? Or are you NOT SO CONVINCED???!!!

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  8. giggles4488 - 56-60 years old - female

    Posted by giggles4488 on Mar 7th, 2010 at 10:00PM

    OUCH! Miss AE and Miss Cheeky, I'm with you.....I rather enjoy being able to vote, drive, have a career in the field of MY choice and the list goes on and on.

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  9. alteredego - 46-50 years old - female

    Posted by alteredego on Mar 7th, 2010 at 10:14PM

    I can read myself my dear and write my own words. I don't need a man telling me what to think or write. My comprehension skills are fine. I only need to read it once. I have no problem with a person having a different view point, what I have a problem with is when a person wants to politicize that opinion and take away my rights. Live how you wish, but don't assume that everyone will live like you.

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  10. CheekyGeek - 41-45 years old

    Posted by CheekyGeek on Mar 7th, 2010 at 10:23PM

    One did not have to be around in the 50's to KNOW about it. I was raised by my grandparents so unfortunately I had to fight these ridiculous stereotypes. It would not matter how many times I would read that nonsense It isn't going to make it better. It is not only Pooly written but it is complete swill.

    My point of contention is not that fact you choose to live as a subservient, unthinking salve, My issue is YOUR insistent that EVERY woman has to live under such conditions. I have a brin That I am now free to use. I have oppertunities I can explore and I don't need any male permission to do it.

    And as far as men Cherishing women. Here is a clue for you. To have and to hold, is the conveyance of property. NOT endearment. It has nothing to do with love and EVERYTHING to do with Property rights. So Kid your self if you want but DO NOT INSIST EVERYONE adhere to YOUR version of Morality.

    If you believe so strongly then I hope your putting your money where your mouth is.
    Do not have a Job. Do not own property. DO not Drive, Do not Vote. Do not have one single dime that you do not need to ask for. Do not go to school. (your almost there you can at least read).
    Stay away from the Government. and the "affairs of men"

    be a servant if you wish but this nonsense of trying to force everyone to be like you, sorry I will die fighting that!

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  11. Reply by An EP User Apr 6th, 2012 at 10:18PM

    I applaud this... thank you!

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  12. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 7th, 2010 at 10:42PM

    "Pooly" written...your words...and I am an "unthinking" "SALVE" like cold cream?? OK and...Who said I was insistent on anything, you are the one spouting off...and "You have a brin and you are free to use it" Sure..you can use your "brin" whatever the hell that is...and...as a matter of fact I own my own home...and guess what??? My grandmother owned property and EVERYTHING!!! Your perception of the past is "distorted" kinda like your grasp of the English language and "spelling" You are an angry little illiterate deeateminus aren't you? I have a right to offend and **** you off, that is what freedom of speech means...I might **** YOU off...so what??

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  13. Reply by An EP User Apr 6th, 2012 at 10:20PM

    You don't **** us off... you prove our point...

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  14. mwlthw - 51-55 years old - male

    Reply by mwlthw Apr 10th, 2012 at 5:06PM

    Your grandmother owned "everything"? Nu-uh! You missed several periods in your writing. Comma after "distorted", "kinda" begins a subordinate phrase. Learn to write...after you learn to think.

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  15. giggles4488 - 56-60 years old - female

    Posted by giggles4488 on Mar 8th, 2010 at 2:08PM

    To yell and call people illiterate, spazcases, and witches (in a demeaning manner) simply shows that you are, indeed, a small minded human. You have every right to copy and paste all the conspiracy therories you wish but others have that same right to comment and ask you to give your personal opinion (if you are capable of backing it up....you were not born in the 50's either, so get down off your high and mighty thrown). I grew up listening and watching the likes of Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan and Helen Reddy (the poster child for Feminism). But if you cannot have a civil debate and know that is was the 2nd wave of feminism, then you are correct....there is very little to discuss. I was not born in 1900 but I am quite conversant on the fact that the Representation of the People Act was passed finally giving women a vote....only if they were older than 29 yrs and held property. Men made sure women had a difficult time holding said property by passing state laws giving the state or male members of a family the property when a man died. His wife was left with nothing. It was 1929 before a bill was passed allowing a woman the right to work outside the home....but ONLY if she wasn't married. As late as the early 70's it took fighting for me to be allowed into my chosen medical field (yes, this bitchy, wiccan, feminist is a card carrying MD specializing in Medical Examiner! Bet you thought I didn't see your nasty little Q&A board remarks :) There were feminists that took things a bit too far and those I didn't agree with, but all in all, young lady, we needed someone to fight to have rights just like our male counterparts. All of feminism isn't some wild and wooly CIA conspiracy to bring down the world. Oh, and by the way, the right to free speech was NOT part of feminism.....who didn't do their homework?? uh-oh.....gotcha! If you didn't fly off the handle you could have had an amazing, interesting discussion with three intelligent, educated women.....your loss!

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  16. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 2:37PM

    I had no IDEA you three were "wiccans" when I called you "witches". that is just ironic., and funny to me. Because I posted this story... it was YOU 3 who "ganged up" on me because I had something to express...that You did not like., you see everything in "black and white" you remind me of "fossils" from the 60's and 70's. Gloria Stienhams ties to the CIA/Rockefellers is documented fact. And if you think for ONE minute that any CIA funded "quiet revolution" was "for the good of women"., you are sadly mistaken. All this article points to is that "the revolution" was not grass roots., but driven by a global elite that serves to break up strong family ties. And as you can see from the first reaction., I am not the only one who feels this way. I don't care about "the Q&A, and that you saw it. So? What can you do to me?? Put 3 hexes and a "whammy" on me?.. Sabrina?

    "Oh, and by the way, the right to free speech was NOT part of feminism..".... Oh, you nailed that one, because YOUR version does not allow anyone to question anything., except if Gloria STIENBLECH does. I gave Alicia87 BA., you might want to check it out and look in "the mirror"

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  17. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 2:45PM

    Here's the link: Thanks Alicia!!:http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Why-Are-Some-Feminists-So-Bitchy-Holy-Sh*t/149439

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  18. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 3:45PM

    And FYI I am a college educated in the library sciences as well as an industrial equipment operator specializing in DG's. And I can tell you this...no employer in their right mind would hire me "over a male" my size because of natural upper body strength., and I am not stupid enough to take STEROIDS in order to compete!! Now, have any of you big mouths operated forklifts? Booms? Order pickers? 250 2 stroke Race motocross bikess?? I thought not.

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  19. Reply by An EP User Apr 26th, 2012 at 1:50PM

    Well yes, actually I have, and it wasn't that difficult and definitely didn't take much intelligence. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I never "raced" motocross "bikess" officially if that is what you were saying (kind of illegible), but I have ridden them and raced them with my friends and family.

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  20. bitterdregs - 46-50 years old - female

    Posted by bitterdregs on Mar 8th, 2010 at 4:02PM, last updated Mar 8th, 2010 at 4:08PM

    I do believe is more difficult for women who go into male dominated fields. Much of the reason for that though is due to how women have abused the rights they won.On the flip side, the men have been being programmed toward surreal expectations of women. Discard after they are worn basically. Yet another media manouvre to break up families. See my post. EP Link#comment_embed

    My oldest daughter is involved in a feminist group. I was chagrinned at first but the new feminists...and I mean new as in of the last 3 or 4 years, seem to be reversing what their predecessors have done. The new groups are more about the right to be traditionally feminine.

    Unfortunately the traditional family seems to have disolved for the most part. What the CIA did not expect was...that the urge for family is deeply ingrained and we will find family even if we have no blood relatives or partner. The universe tends to bring families together in one way or another.

    What the original feminsists did was a damn good thing and I applaud them. Equality is a must for every human's sanity. Wiping out traditional roles caused many problems though. This was largely accomplished by the hippie free love culture. At first "free love" meant to love thy neighbor as thyself. Then it became to have sex with anyone and simply walk away. This left hundreds of thousands of fatherless children with the mothers ending up on welfare or having to go into the workplace and turning their kids into latch-key kids. At that point we had a whole generation who never knew what a traditional family was. Their motto is every man for himself and there is almost 0 respect.

    The drug culture of the 60's was CIA induced. It's main objective was experimentation in mind control on individual and mass levels. That's how free love became free sex.Don't get me wrong, I am a very strong minded and opinionated woman. I actually think more like a man in many ways and probably would have offed myself had I been born 150 years ago. I would want equaity yes...but the destruction of the family unit is a line that needs to be drawn. They wrap it up pretty and call it individualtiy but it's really a lack of cohesivness and it makes us easier to control. True individuality comes from who you are on the inside, not who you don't need.

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  21. bitterdregs - 46-50 years old - female

    Posted by bitterdregs on Mar 8th, 2010 at 4:06PM

    I don't know if that link took.

    EP Link#comment_embed

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  22. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 4:07PM

    Thank you Bitterdregs for your rational well-balanced comments
    undertone

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  23. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 5:04PM

    The very same forces behind "the drug culture" were the very same forces behind "the second wave"of feminism...the results were the same...denigration of "family" ...when you do not have family, you become vulnerable against "the state"...and that's what it was really about..truth be told...whether "The Feminists" like it or not.

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  24. giggles4488 - 56-60 years old - female

    Posted by giggles4488 on Mar 8th, 2010 at 7:30PM

    No you are correct in that I have never operated a forklift, had I known I needed to in order to speak on any given subject, I would have done so. Your college education does not impress me, you are also correct in that no employer in their right mind would hire you.....for anything! Narcissistic liars tend to be very poor employees...even if it is to just drive a forklift. Your continual sniping at others education, work background, and relationships with men shows vividly your pronounced and deep seated NPD. (as a physician I am well qualified to say that even though I don't drive a forklift) As far as your snipe about Helen Reddy, look up your facts. I mentioned her because her song was the "anthem" of the 60's radical feminists you so loathe. Ooops, pull your pants up and tighten that tool belt missy, your *** is showing again.

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  25. Reply by An EP User Apr 6th, 2012 at 10:24PM

    Giggles I might be in love with you.

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  26. mwlthw - 51-55 years old - male

    Reply by mwlthw Apr 10th, 2012 at 5:31PM

    I'm with DenteAvvelenato.

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  27. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Mar 8th, 2010 at 10:02PM

    You 3 are ******* plain and simple, you think you can bully others into thinking and agreeing with you. Your a WHAT??? a doctor??? I have NPD...., I don't even know what that is...is it a new "diagnosis" that evil white coat criminals line their pockets with? HMMM? Are you one of those charlatan mental health people that diagnose every one and their dog with some kind of neurosis, that is curable only by pharmaceuticals that render the poor patient more suicidal/homicidal than before you got your greedy evil talons into them?? Doctors are full of crap., and so are psychologists...your reign of "walking around like Dr, Kildare" is coming to an end. No one is impressed with your bullshit, because we have seen the results of your so-called "treatment" on our loved ones...Guess what? Radiation cause cancer!!., It is not a cure...DUH!!! And your so-called education is controlled by the global elite. Anything that you paid thousands of dollars to learn...a 15 year old could self-teach at home. You dumb squarehead!

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  28. knightrunner - 31-35 years old

    Reply by knightrunner Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:14PM

    Under normal circumstances I would jump right in and help you argue with these people. But after having dealings with them myself i can say that feminist aren't people. They have had their humanity brain washed out of them. You can't argue with them. Their minds no longer function. Come join us at the MRA where rational thought is always welcome. Remember you've done nothing when you have bested a fool.

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  29. alicia87 - 22-25 years old - female

    Posted by alicia87 on Mar 9th, 2010 at 9:16AM

    Wow, such a spirited conversation going on here...

    While I am grateful for people like my Godmother who would go on marches and burn her bra so that I can grow up being seen as an "equal" to a male, I honestly believe feminism has gone way too far. I considered myself a feminist all through high school, until I got to college and saw that feminists are just plain nuts. They are honestly the most rude people I've ever met. They don't want equal rights for all women, they just want equal rights for women who think like them. In my mind, equality would be a person choosing what she wants to do... Well, what if a woman WANTS to stay home and raise her children? What if a woman WANTS to save herself for marriage? What if a woman WANTS a traditionally female job (such as a receptionist, etc.)? Why does a "real" woman have to be a slutty, unmarried engineer? This is not the life I want, and I'm more than happy to give up feminism so I can do what I want. My goals in life aren't to become the first woman (insert male dominated field here), or make a million dollars a year, or sleep with 50 men before I turn 50. I am a loving, nurturing person who is happy to be in my female-dominated field (teacher), happy to take care of my sick parents instead of shoving them in a nursing home, and happy to be in a healthy relationship in which I am saving myself for marriage. This is MY life and these are MY choices. Most feminists would tell me that I am oppressed by my religion or something for making these choices. But I suppose that is the beauty (and the irony) of it. They are MY choices in spite of my supposed "oppression."

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  30. Reply by An EP User Apr 6th, 2012 at 10:26PM

    I disagree most feminists say we fought for you to have the right TO CHOOSE, and are glad we helped you live a life you are happy in.

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  31. alicia87 - 22-25 years old - female

    Reply by alicia87 Apr 8th, 2012 at 12:10PM

    You have "helped" me do nothing. Get over yourself.

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  32. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:17PM

    Yes, thank you Alicia87, a scholar and a friend.

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  33. winstonwelles - 22-25 years old - male

    Posted by winstonwelles on Oct 1st, 2010 at 10:09PM

    I'm not sure why the comments on this story are mired in a debate about the merits of feminism. Your story doesn't address the merits of feminism. Your story says things like this;

    "The agenda of this international cabal [The CIA] is to degrade the institutions and values of the United States in order to integrate it into a global state that it will direct through the United Nations."

    A) What?
    B) How does feminism advance this goal?
    C) What influence does the CIA have over the UN, an entirely separate body?
    D) Seriously, WHAT?

    Final point; this whole article is one massive ad hominem argument. So what if Gloria Steinem was a puppy eating baby rapist? That doesn't have any bearing on the arguments feminists make in support of their position.

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  34. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 4:54PM

    I did not STEER the comments on this story, I merely responded to the comments.

    "How does it achieve this goal?" you ask.

    By denigration of strong family units. Both parents pay income tax...and the "kids" spend their early childhood in the hands of "the state" If you do not understand...that feminism was not agrass roots movement, but engineered by elites.

    And the UN is drenched in marxist values., and ALL of these foundations..institutions work IN TANDEM...they work TOGETHER...and you are COMPLETLY and TOTALLY UNINFORMED about how the world works.

    Google: Aaron Russo /' Nick Rockefeller.. reasons for feminism.."womens lib"

    "An entirely seperate body.. you say"

    That's what YOU THINK!!!

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  35. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 4:57PM

    It is by their design to break up the family unit...because FAMILIES throughout history STOOD UP FOR EACH OTHER!!!!

    And THAT is why the "family" has been under cultural attack for decades.

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  36. Reply by An EP User Apr 6th, 2012 at 10:29PM

    Seems to me that the 3 women you got mad at seemed to stick up for one another quite well, while all your normal cohorts are nowhere to be found.

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  37. Undertone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by Undertone on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 5:40PM

    " So what if Gloria Steinem was a puppy eating baby rapist? "

    SO WHAT???!!

    You have just DEMONSTRATED MY POINT!!! OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!

    DEGENERATE!!!

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  38. winstonwelles - 22-25 years old - male

    Posted by winstonwelles on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:23PM

    "You have just DEMONSTRATED MY POINT!!! OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!

    DEGENERATE!!!"

    Wow. Where to start?

    Those were extreme examples of the most despicable things you could accuse someone of. It's called hyperbole. The point was clearly, obviously to anyone with a grasp of reality, that even if someone is a terrible person, it doesn't make them wrong about everything. If Hitler told you the sky was blue, you wouldn't prove him wrong by saying "yeah but you killed millions of people so what you think doesn't matter". Debate the issue, not the person.

    Did you seriously think I'm a big fan of baby rape, or were you just that desperate to score a cheap point?

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  39. Posted by An EP User on Nov 11th, 2011 at 10:17AM

    "Oh never mind a woman having any money independently of her own is against your "morality".
    ME. Women having bank accounts and investments in their own names has never been controversial in the USA.

    "I would prefer NOT to be taken back to the 1950"s thank you."
    ME. It was a time, where a woman wanting to do many things raised eyebrows, all right, but also a time when women were more respected than now. And when women respected men more for being men.

    "I LIKE NOT being at the mercy of EVERY SINGLE male on the planet."
    ME. Never has been the case in North America.

    "How nice it is Not to have to allow myself to be raped and beaten by my spouse..."
    ME. Wife beating was condemned at the time. In those days, women also silently understood that granting a man sex whenever he wanted it would augment his passion for her and buy marital peace. But would you really call that marital rape??

    "...how nice that we don't have to quit working because we get married or give birth."
    ME. How nice would it be to live in a social order that did not pretend that women can be wives, mothers, and careerists, all without giving rise to strains and dilemmas.

    "...how great I can drive to the store on my own in my own car, how magnificent that I don't need a male to escort me. I am so thankful I do not have to cover myself from head to toe for fear that a male might see me. How wonderful I do not live under the fear of stoning if I should be raped. "
    ME. You describe Saudi Arabia today, but not the USA 2 or more generations ago.

    Writing in 1835, Tocqueville was astonished at the freedom of movement and thought that American women seemed to enjoy when compared with their European sisters.

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  40. Natalie123ariel - 22-25 years old - female

    Reply by Natalie123ariel May 21st, 2012 at 11:10PM

    Amen sister! He a strong women. I love my husband but he's not an *** so yup! I like having my job, car, money, and whatever I want too! The house in both names.

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  41. mwlthw - 51-55 years old - male

    Posted by mwlthw on Apr 10th, 2012 at 5:21PM

    Ooh, I love the CIA now. I didn't know they funded "Ms." Smart women, those CIA folks. Put me down as strongly for the New World Order if it is run by feminists!
    Diversity and multicultural movements? Horrors! You are right! Let us begin by returning THIS continent to it's original cultural and diversity status, before white men stole it all, with the help of those less white Spaniards and Portuguese.
    Never mind...that won't fly. Instead lets just invest in education and stop the errors of the past. Step one is encourage FEMINISM!

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  42. Vestigial - 26-30 years old - male

    Posted by Vestigial on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:48PM

    Interesting. Way too many branches and not enough roots on that tree to hold up in my mind. But I agree that Steinem has injected many lies and much misguided rage in to the American psyche.

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  43. Natalie123ariel - 22-25 years old - female

    Posted by Natalie123ariel on May 21st, 2012 at 11:07PM

    The CIA has a reason for what it does. People should watch what they say about them.

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