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I Am An Anti-feminist

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By: ACuriousStudent
Written on January 28th, 2013
Age: 22-25 , Female
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    Adalia95

    Feminism = equality of women to men, therefore how exactly is is it possible for feminism to tell you women are better than men?

    Apr 28
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      ACuriousStudent

      Feminism does not preach equality but inequality. Research a few laws, political agendas and the views feminism has of men and conservative women and you may see it too. Then again you may not see it, it depends.

      May 21
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    JackBarnesMRA

    Your on the right track. Congratulations. You are very intelligent and have chosen to think for yourself. That puts you way ahead of the game.
    May I suggest some.further education on the true nature of feminism.
    www.manwomanmyth.com

    Feb 3
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      ACuriousStudent

      Thank you Sir Knight, I appreciate your support and the link.

      Feb 6
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    consa

    "Feminism tells me that women are better than men..."

    The claim that women are inherently more moral or more culturally refined than men, goes back at least as far as the early middle ages and is perhaps thousands of years old. And it has often been believed by men. Ronald Reagan once said that were it not for women, men would still be wearing animal skins and living in caves?!?



    "...that women are owed something..."

    One person's just entitlement is another person's silly privilege. We humans will debate this until the end of time. The debate focuses attention on whether we are to seek advantage by taking from others, or by building for ourselves and others. If it becomes easy to argue that X's enjoying A is unfair, so that X can have A taken away from him, then people will not take the effort to make and acquire A. And we become all worse off.



    "...if a woman isn't the equal of a man in every way, then she is less of a person and is a victim of her sex."

    Humans are very complicated bundles of virtues, talents, moral flaws, and handicaps. Many interesting aspects of humans are very hard to measure and hence impossible to compare. Differences across people make the lives of some more challenging, but on balance make our societies and the total human experience a richer one. Humans deserve autonomy, but just what that means in practice has to be worked out through experience, and trial and error. Moreover, the concrete meaning of autonomy evolves over time, often unconsciously. There is no body of scholarly work on how to lead the Good Life. Or on how to bridge the gender divide, which may be less real than our ancestors thought it was.

    Feb 6
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      ACuriousStudent

      You made some well thought out points and I appreciate your contribution. Thank you for commenting.

      Feb 6
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      consa

      I have been thinking about feminism since the late 1960s.

      Feb 6
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    DenteAvvelenato

    " People are people, we all have our strength and weaknesses, our preferences and proclivities. I see no reason to say that those things that women have traditionally done are any less valuable than those things that men have traditionally done"

    Your quote is straight from feminism 101. Please remember there are different factions within feminism. Also alimony and child support (which put monetary value on 'traditional' female roles like motherhood and being a wife) happened by heavy feminist advocacy and political lobbying.

    A lot of what people label as 'feminist' isn't.

    The universal truth in feminism is there is more disparity within a single sex than between the two sexes, therefore all humans are deserving of autonomy.

    Jan 29
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      ACuriousStudent

      Dente, I said in my post that I realize there are difference in Feminism. I acknowledged these differences and said that I still disagree with what Feminism stands for and it's inherent purpose.

      Jan 29
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      DenteAvvelenato

      It's inherit purpose is equality, especially between the sexes. I'm sorry you feel that's objectionable.

      It's one thing to not like something but, it's entirely a different thing to misrepresent it. :(

      Jan 30
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      consa

      Equality of condition is impossible outside of a tyrannical social order that lowers almost everyone, and that prohibits people from benefiting from their talent and industry.
      Equality of opportunity is something about which honest people will never fully agree. Hence equality of opportunity is best addressed piecemeal by trial and error, outside of any grand political design.

      Feb 3
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      DenteAvvelenato

      "Equality of opportunity is something about which honest people will never fully agree"

      elaborate please

      Feb 3
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      DenteAvvelenato

      "equality of opportunity is best addressed piecemeal by trial and error," I completely disagree in an over all context.

      Feb 3
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      ACuriousStudent

      @consa: I agree and once again thank you for your contribution :-)

      Feb 6
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      consa

      I am a disciple of Edmund Burke (1727-1797) perhaps the greatest backbench MP of all time. He taught me that politics and political philosophy must be grounded in day to day human experience, and not in a grand intellectual design. Burke denied there were abstract human rights. Rather, rights emerged out of the historical experience of nations, and are always evolving. Especially important are certain cases deliberated by the Supreme Court in the USA, and the House of Lords in the UK. When we talk about a "right," we have to some sort of understanding of what society and human behaviour would be like if the right were recognised or taken away. The consequences of rights have to put in the balance.

      It is my understanding that Michael Oakeshott articulated ideas similar to mine. I am ashamed to admit that I have yet to read him.

      Feb 6
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      consa

      Here as elsewhere, the devil's in the details. In the nature of the concrete steps taken to "equalize" opportunity. One person's "needed for a fair go" is another's undeserved advantage. I have been following the debate over affirmative action and comparable worth for 45 years.

      Feb 6
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      DenteAvvelenato

      Consa are suggesting that all feminists support 'affirmative action' ?

      Surely you are not suggesting that Burke's statement is advocating for 'piecemail' rights.

      I of course have to disagree as I believe all HUMAN's should have certain rights.

      It's funny as people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, and Jesus all believe the same thing.

      Feb 8
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      DenteAvvelenato

      And oddly the Eugenics practiced by Nazi's and Fascists is based on piecemail 'equality'. :(

      Feb 8
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      consa

      The word is "piecemeal" not "piecemail". Burke did not use the word piecemeal to my knowledge. The word only appears in the secondary literature.

      The Nazis were fascinated by eugenics, but not the Italian fascists. Eugenics was contemptuous of rights and equality, as was the entire Nazi movement.

      I agree with Hayek's Road to Serfdom, where he argued that the continental European fascism owed a great deal to socialism.

      Just what rights humans enjoy, and just what those rights mean in practice, is why politics, law and political philosophy are very rich topics, that will be debated until the extinction of our species.

      The formal name for Hitler's political movement included the German words meaning "socialist" and "workers". Hitler despised the Communists, not so much because he disagreed with them, but because he saw them as rivals for the sort of power he sought to obtain.

      Mussolini as a young man was very much the socialist.

      Last century's second wave feminists were very warm to affirmative action favouring women. I agree that nowadays there is less talk of that nature.

      "It's funny as people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, and Jesus all believe the same thing."

      Ascertaining whether your assertion is correct would be a very difficult scholarly project. You see, there has been a tendency for Christianity to be all things to all people. Christians are like blind men groping the proverbial elephant. Each feels a part and mistakes it for the whole.

      MLK and Mother Teresa were professional Christians. The Wikipedia entry on Nelson Mandela reveals that he was powerfully influenced by Methodism during his education. Gandhi was strongly influenced by Thoreau, who was a product of Puritan New England.

      Dorothy Day, who was a near communist, claimed to be deeply Christian. So does Phyllis Schlafly.
      Jews too have spanned the spectrum, from Frank Chodorov to Julius Rosenberg.

      Feb 8
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      DenteAvvelenato

      your point in relaying the various religions of people who believe that humans have certain rights as humans is ?

      Feb 8
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      DenteAvvelenato

      " The Nazis were fascinated by eugenics, but not the Italian fascists"

      And your point is?

      I never said eugenics was practiced by Italian fascists.

      To be clear the eugenics practiced by nazis is based on piecemeal rights.
      Fascism is based on piecemeal rights ...etc...

      Feb 8
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    Michelle0001

    Bravo, great post!

    I agree with all of this but especially when you pointed out the subtle superiority of females that is present in much of what comes from feminism. Being a victim of her sex as a female is not exactly a healthy point of view either.

    Like you, I don't hate feminists. I disagree with the ideology and only dislike the ones who behave badly and in extreme defense of feminism.

    Jan 29
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      consa

      Have you read any of Shulamith Firestone, Susan Brownmiller, Mary Daly, Kate Millet, Valerie Solanas, Eve Ensler, Andrea Dworkin, and Catherine MacKinnon? Did you know that Betty Friedan founded Second Wave, but distanced herself from radical feminism?

      Feb 6
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