Using Math To Disprove God

Don't worry their isn't any calculation needed here.

Here we go. According to scripture God is infinite. He has always existed However, logically and mathematically you run into some real problems when dealing with infinity. Here's what happens. God created the world at some finite point in the past ("world" here is the scriptural definition which included EVERYTHING, the universe as a whole) so what did he do BEFORE that? If you except the answer "Preparing Hell for people who ask such questions." then you can ask what he did before THAT (You're already going to Hell any way so why not go all in?)

If God created man in his image, and we are children of God, then we can assume that God himself was once as we are now. This implies that God has GROWN to become what he is now, our Heavenly Father, just as your father on Earth was once a little kid. Here's where you run into the infinity problem. Any infinitely old thing CAN'T change in any way on average. It can grow and shrink over and over and infinite amount of times but on average it must be the same. And what would be the point of a being growing to Godhood only to turn around and regress again over and over forever?

It just seems to me to be pointless and rather boring to be a God forever and ever. I have trouble imagining such an existence.

Further the scriptures are full of descriptions of Hell and what happens there but what happens in Heaven? What are you going to DO forever?

It's hard to truly grasp the infinite and believe in any kind of God.
krool1969 krool1969
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6 Responses Mar 10, 2012

I am a graduate student mathematician not a theologian so I do not claim to an expert on anything here but I do see some flaws in your logic. Mathematics is logic so I have studied logic for a few years now. In mathematics I also have studied infinity and the concept of infinity a good amount. When I try to picture infinity I like to think of the graph of a polynomial. The domain of the polynomial will tell where it exists. Every polynomial has domain from negative infinity to positive infinity. So with the claim that God is infinite you could say God's existence is like a polynomial in that he continues forever in each direction of time.

Using the analogy of God's existence being like a polynomial, let's talk about what our life is like. If we were to graph our life as if it was a function to follow along with how we did for God. We know(by your assumption) we exist on the earth for a finite amount of time but that we go on to live forever in either heaven or hell. Therefore we can look at our life as a piecewise defined function. Our domain is restricted. We start at a certain point in time.

I teach a college algebra and before we graph piecewise defined functions we have to understand how to graph polynomials because piecewise defined functions are made "in the image of" or to look like polynomials only we restrict the domain (time in the case of God and humans)

When you state "If God created man in his image, and we are children of God, then we can assume that God himself was once as we are now." you are not making a logical statement. You have made a jump. Anything based off of you jump to assuming that God was once as we are now can not be considered valid if we are using mathematical logic.

Furthermore you claim "Further the scriptures are full of descriptions of Hell and what happens there but what happens in Heaven? What are you going to DO forever?" The scriptures actually describe both heaven and hell.

Your closing statement is "It's hard to truly grasp the infinite and believe in any kind of God." I agree that it is hard to grasp the concept of infinity.

I will leave you with some food for thought as my closing statement. The bible states that God is the beginning and the end, not that God is infinite.

"If God created man in his image, and we are children of God, then we can assume that God himself was once as we are now. This implies that God has GROWN to become what he is now"
This is all just silliness. An image is just a representation. Not a duplication of ALL the characteristics of it's subjects. It describes SOME of the subjects.
To say eternity sounds boring is like looking at the sheet music for a song you've never heard, and not being able to read music you say "This song looks boring"
This is all silliness.

I think you are failing to grasp just what infinite time really is. It's not a lot of years, it's forever. You will have time to learn every possible fact and skill, become a master at it, then forget it again. This cycle can be repeated over and over. For a person who's greatest pleasure is learning it seems to me I'd reach a point where I know everything that is possible to know and be a master at every possible skill. What is the point of existing if you have mastered all possible skills and learned all possible facts? And what would you call a being that knows everything and can do anything?

Is there any such thing as "infinite time"? That sounds like a contradiction in terms. This is an imaginary concept. Time is by definition finite. You are applying temporal concepts to eternity, which is not unending time, but the absence of time. It seems we can't really conceive of experiencing eternity in any meaningful way without falling into the imaginary idea of "infinite time". And you end up making silly statements like "... we can assume that God himself was once as we are now" and so forth. It makes no sense. That's my point.

I rated this up for it's humor. Thanks for the laugh!

Hello. I do not want to argue with anyone. I am a recent convert to Christianity. When it comes to hell in the Bible, there are very few desc<x>riptions, and if taken literally, hell would be impossible. I could give you a full explaination on hell and the afterlife in Christianity, but I would have to send you a private message. The fact is, there is a good and bad afterlife, but a place if fire is not real. It's far more complicated than Heaven = up and Hell = down.

"It just seems to me to be pointless and rather boring to be a God forever and ever. I have trouble imagining such an existence."<br />
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"It's hard to truly grasp the infinite and believe in any kind of God."<br />
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I can't disagree with your opinions but that's what they are--opinions. If you want to get logical than you have to get into the idea of scientific and statistical testing and when you understand that--you realize that you don't really disprove the existence of something. What you really do is accept the alternative due to lack of evidence. I can't prove Bigfoot doesn't exist, but I don't believe ba<x>sed on lack of evidence. Even the legal system works this way. A person doesn't have to prove they didn't commit a crime. Lack of evidence is enough to presume innocence. <br />
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In other words, rather than trying to disprove God, I would focus on lack of evidence for the existence of God.<br />
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Total side note--have you read the Dune books? One of the major themes is the stagnant and utter boredom of existence when one achieves godlike status....similar to something you mentioned.

Jenna: I like your logic and the respectful way you express your differing views.

Yea I read them. Good books. I agree about disproving a negative.

Thanks a lot.

WOWIE ! That must be some real good sh..t you're smoking. I'm sure it all makes sense to you but, it's hard to follow your train of thought for me.

It's hard to follow logic when you don't understand it. It's OK. Humans have to learn to think logically. I don't resent a child who can't read. Ignorance is not bad. It's the idea that you already know the answer and won't except that you might be wrong that's bad.