Anti-religious Agnostics?

Do you think maybe atheists are actually anti-religious agnostics? That maybe atheism is just a popular thing among people who don't subscribe to religion, god, or their faulty views of morality? Are we just atheists towards the Christian god, and all other religious gods? My boyfriend and I debate from time to time and this got me thinking. He was an atheist who had decided the proper term for him would be agnostic. We argued about the differences, and he asked me if I can prove that god doesn't exist. Of course I immediately said the burden of proof is not on me, but on the person who inserts the claim that there is one. He then pointed out that either extreme view could both equally be ridiculous. He asked me why I'm an atheist. I responded by saying that I have no reason to believe because there is no evidence. He said, "you just basically told me you're an agnostic." Once we settled that, we moved onto our take on religion - which we are both anti-religion and everything from their credulous views of morality, spirits, and afterlife. Is that most of us? Are we all really just anti-religious agnostics? I would like to see other people's viewpoints.

Antireligion: is opposition to religion. Antireligion is distinct from atheism and antitheism (opposition to belief in deities), although antireligionists may be atheists or antitheists. The term may be usedto describe opposition to organized religion, or to describe a broader opposition to any form of belief in the supernatural or the divine.

Agnosticism: the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions.

Atheism: the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence for deities. Although some atheists have adopted secular philosophies, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.

Or agnostic atheists? (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility)

Do you think atheism is changing in definition in any sense?

*personally I will still identify with being an atheist. I am, however, an anti-religious agnostic. Maybe I'm both lol who knows.*
lynlyn85 lynlyn85
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3 Responses May 12, 2012

“Do you think maybe atheists are actually anti-religious agnostics”<br />
I say no because I think things are knowable in the limited sense of what is knowable. Second, I may bust the nuts of religious zealots who want that, but I'm not anti-religious. <br />
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“I have no reason to believe because there is no evidence. He said, "you just basically told me you're an agnostic." <br />
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There is a huge difference between saying something is unknowable, and the rejection of something. I don't believe there is a proof for Fermat's last theorem. I'm not an anti-Fermat holding the question unknowable. If you take everything you cannot answer at this very moment as unknowable. What happens next? You just told him it is knowable ba<x>se on the negative evidence. That is the evidence. When the evidence changes, so will your view.<br />
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As for those endless ontological, cosmological, teleological arguments made. They are soooooo lame. Who makes judgments like that? When is the last teleological argument you threw down for buying a Ford, or changing jobs? Sorry, massive tangent.<br />
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“He then pointed out that either extreme view could both equally be ridiculous”<br />
I'm interested in that example(s)?

I explained that to him more or less. He pointed out people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan, Neil Furgeson, Dawkins, etc, who are all agnostic. He asked if people figure out what started the big bang would I change my view. I again said no because there's no reason to call anything a god and especially that of a god with instruction that gives an afterlife, which is preposterous. I went further saying that the whole term 'god' all together just sounds archaic. He pushed and asked if I could say with absolute certainty that there's nothing. I said no, but no matter what, it isn't god. He said that there could be something in a scientific sense (no he doesn't believe ancient aliens, and is actually going to write a book debunking that), my response again was that I'm not responsible for theists who are forced to make their god scientific, their god just doesn't exist and never will. Their views will always be archaic, no matter how much they upgrade. LOL.. that's why we have debates, no one wins, we just see who has a better argument. He had some points, which made me wonder if some (not all) atheists are actually agnostic. It's still up to each person what they identify with, he even said he still identifies with atheism, he's just changed his title. His views are the same as mine if you ask me, but ok.

“I could say with absolute certainty that there's nothing.”

I think that is an interesting place. I'm responding to you right now. Its late afternoon. Am I absolutely certain the Sun will rise in the morning? Is there a probability the Sun from some unseen event could explode? Am I going to live the rest of my day as if the Sun will rise in the morning.....without a doubt. So do you need to be absolutely certain.... no. Really degrees of probability. I can expand there but I don't want to put you sleep either.

“LOL.. that's why we have debates, no one wins, we just see who has a better argument.”
That goes on the lab grease-board Monday. There is no better path to “truth” free inquiry. An awesome statement!!!

I am with out a doubt atheist as I never question if there is any form of deity.<br />
being agnostic is like saying "you cant disprove hogwarts so there is a chance dumbledore is real"... see if you apply it to other books like that it sounds crazy lol

I feel the same. The closest term I can come up with outside of that is anti-religious agnostic, but n matter what I'm an atheist. There's two definitions, one is stronger than the other in stance. Richard Dawkins has a scale in his book 'the god delusion'-1 being 100% sure of god to 7 being 100% sure there's no god. Dawkins says he's a 6, and says he's agnostic. His speeches seem pretty atheistic to me though, but nevertheless..

its because he says he is a 6 he is agnostic. any doubt at all makes you agnostic :)

i gues we settled in my religion do you know what i practice its called CHRISTMUS what is it?from your belly going up to your brain its Christian way and from your belly going to your toes its a Muslim so meaning i dont mind all kinds of faith but im sure somehow that supreme being exist and how you praise it depends on you....

Praising a supreme being is a part of religion. This also isn't about faith. Are you sure you even know what I'm talking about? Lol. I don't mind people have beliefs, it is organized religion that I don't like, especially on a political level.


LOL yeah i know you are really something and yup i have friends the same your way of thinking and they are always arguing with me,but i just told them hhhmmm i am different thats all....

Lol I'm nice if others are. Some people do overreact so I'm used to trying to improve their negative view of what atheism is. Some don't care and just want to go off the handle, I guess the statistics are true. I was sleepy when you posted your reply so I was like head navel feet huh? I'm rested now lol :)

well im sure you are fresh and yeah i dont mind if my friends is having different thinking of religion as long its legal i dont mind,so hows your bf think about it?are you not having arguments when the topics goes so what about when you get married or shall we say when the kids is there are you going to share the same concept?hhmmmm im really interested to your views...

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