I'm Not Angry At God. I'm Angry At The Idea Of God.

My title sums it up. Many things in my life have been and are affected by people's unmoving belief in an imaginary deity. I not only no longer ascribe to any religion, the very mention of it irritates me. I can't be mad at a figure of everyone's imagination, but I can be angry at what belief in him has done.
Notoriously Notoriously
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7 Responses Dec 11, 2012

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Danton, Lenin, Than Shwe, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Ceausescu, Honecker, Castro, Pol Pot, Milosevic, Bonaparte and Mussolini sadistic, mass murdering atheists?

Correct me if I'm wrong but ....LOL.....havn't Catholic priests had sex with a TON OF CHILDREN ....only to be moved so they could rape more children.

The Catholic church didn't even try to help protect the 6 million Jews murdered by the SS.

So, because the Catholic Church is morally bankrupt, that somehow excuses or legitimizes the atrocities committed by atheistic totalitarian regimes? In what possible world does that even make sense?

No raping priest are NOT ok.

But we can agree that Religion is harmful.

Anyway why are you taking the EXTREME position on this ? Your just like the law when states or provinces want to legalize POT.

" WHAT IF SOMEONE GET'S HIGH AND DRIVES A CAR " ? No one ever said it was OK to drink and drive or get high and drive.

So for you Atheism = The killing Fields.

Another Religious nut....you guys are insane !!

Looks like you’re cut from a different cloth than Dawkins, Krauss, Wolpert, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens, Kurtz, Weinberg and so many militantly devoted to the religion of Gnostic Atheism. Every time I've watched them in a debate I can't help but hear the roaring sound of goose steps in their rhetoric. It's almost as if they can't wait to round up all of us theists and shove us into gulags.

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Thank you all so much for your replies.

I totally agree! The bible was written by so many different people that trying to live by all of it is completely impossible. See the book "The Year of Living Biblically." Christians say Homosexuality is a huge sin, but seem to forget things like wearing mixed fibers is also a sin. Go Atheism!

Thank you. I agree. The bible cherry pickers really get to me.

I agree with you. I believe 9-11 was caused by religion. It has been the excuse for countless wars and is a threat to life on this planet. One of the highest possible nucular exchanges in the world would occur between Pakistan and India. Religion being a prime componet. The sooner we move away from mythology and into science the better.

I totally agree that 9/11 was based on religion. So many people let these gods and commandments and promised of heavenly rewards influence them into doing things no reasonable person would ever consider.

I totally agree with you! But what I hate most about these religions is that some of them are downright sexist. And being a woman, that's a very big deal to me. I'm not saying I'm a feminist or agree with all of their agenda. But the way religion depicts or describes the role of women in society is outrageous. If you really think hard about this issue, one must question, IF there was a god, s/he wouldn't put such imbalance between the two genders. The ideal god would love every human being as equal and not demand one's domination over the other. It's just so sad!

Personally, I think people cling to the idea of religion because of hope or justification. People seem to think about a higher power to justify their bad luck and suffering. To go through those bad times, people need the the motivation of something good is coming along. While I was transitioning, first I was really angry at God, because of my misfortunes. Now I don't believe in religions anymore, but sometimes I think that maybe there is a higher power. But it's only when I'm sad and depressed.

I don't like sexist men or feminist women, although after years of sexism I understand feminists plight more. I absolutely can't stand feminist men tho. Confused? Me too!
I have four daughters who I want to grow up knowing equal means equal. I've never seen a religion that supports that. The Christian bible has some stunningly misogynistic verses (is that the right word), for example seemingly sanctioning rape. Some aspects of Islam appear to be worse.
All of this is academic (from a point of view of faith) if you do not believe in a god. It is not academic for the people, men and women, who live in non secular states.
I agree with your views on why people cling to religion, but would add an abdication of responsibility or physics. As in "it's an act of God" or "I trust god to fix xxx for me".
I do not ridicule these beliefs, I wish I shared them. It must be great. Repeating myself, but I just don't.

Thanks. Did you mean the bis about the Earth grid being the sewer system?

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I don't understand either. But many people, if not most, clearly do need to believe. Not just in God, but all manner of gods and forces since prehistory. Then they feel the need to kill others who don't believe in the one (or ones) that they believe in.
Personally I think it would be wonderful to believe that there was a higher power. I just don't believe that.

Thanks. Will do tomorrow, it's nearly midnight here and I've had a couple of glasses of wine. I want to do your recommendation justice!

I agree with you. What I don't know is without religion, what fills the void in those who need to believe.

That's true. But I guess I don't understand why they need it. Isn't the universe, the mystery of our planet enough? I feel I only thought I needed it because I was told I did.

I am probably sticking out my neck here, but I am intrigued by the conversation here. I know that everybody that has commented thus far is in agreement with the original post. I am a Christian and am looking for some good discussion about beliefs. So far there has not been premises to support the conclusion, either why there being no God is a justifiable belief or why any given religion is not true. If you don't want to discuss these things with me just let me know and I will move on.

I'd love to discuss with you, and hopefully learn from the experience. Its late here, almost 1am and I'm in work tomorrow (actually today) and need sleep so this will not be a real time chat. But I'd really like to learn and understand from a discussion.
I don't know how I would prove something does not exist. God or any religion. Or in fact absence of anything.
I'm an engineer, a scientist and probably a bit of a nerd. I'm used to the idea of proving things do exist, but not to proving their absence. Via pm I'll share with you my conversion from Christian to agnostic to atheist.
I respect your religious views and do not seek to lessen them. I wish I shared them, but at the risk of this becoming my catch phrase, I don't.
Sorry notoriously, I didn't intend to take over you post, thank you for starting this discussion

mj366 i get the feeling that perhaps what I said in my last post did not come across the way I intended it to. if that is true my apologies, if you are still interested I would love to hear your story of conversion from Christian to agnostic to atheist.

Sorry it's taken a while to reply, we've had some storm and flood damage to contend with.
You asked a while ago about my journey from Christian to agnostic to non believer.
It took several years, but there were some key moments.
In the UK a few years back two little girls were murdered. The crime became known as the Soham murders. One of my daughters was the same age as the girls. I can't think of the terror and suffering they went through. I can't (and don't want to) imagine my daughter enduring similar. People say it is because God gives free choice and the murderer was exercising that free choice. Ok, but the little girls did not choose. I cannot reconcile an omnipotent, omnipresent, loving god allowing that terror and suffering to occur.
Happily this doesn't happen often, but each time I've heard about crimes against children it has shaken my belief to the point that I had no belief left.

Jesus said:

Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mt 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

How does that work if even one innocent child experiences terror and pain?
Sorry, not something I expect you to answer, just something I ran out of answers for.

I hope you are well, and genuinely hope you find comfort in your belief and are comfortable with your beliefs. We do not all have to believe the same things!

I had believed for 40 years.Then my ex con cousin took away my fur baby.We had never had children and we raised him for 5 years.

I prayed that he would come home ,I read the bible.

I dreamed about seeing my Buster again.I had taught him to swim.He was phobic of water because some drunk idiot threw him in the water when he was a puppy.Love and trust allowed him to step in a puddle after months.A year and a half of desensitzation and this big King Shepherd was jumping and playing in the waves.All I had to say was water frzzby and he was smiling.

Then I began to get sick and I wouldn't eat.My moods were up and down and I didn't want to sleep for months.I was diagnosed with DNA gentetic Bipolar Disorder.I cried for days because I had worked on a disturbed ward for 26 years and now I was losing my mind in Mania's and Depression.

My doctor sent me to a Shrink and he said I had worsening symptoms because of my age.I am on a Cocktail of meds to protect the brain and regulate my mood disorder.Doctor Guller said that the dogs was a focal point and it helped me cope and get exercise which helps the brain.

That's when the owners were told about my illness.My ex con cousin ran the townhouses and he forced the owners not th rent to the family with the dog if I was walking him.

When the meds started I began to crash after 3 Manically high monthsSuicide is what I thought of evry morning.My wife morned the loss of our 6 year relationship with Buster.I blamed myself and dreamn't of him at night.I had other dogs growing up but Buster and I connected from daily walk,play,discipline and love.

So,were was god when my evil cousin pulled another Sociopathic stunt ? He was laughing and cheering for the devil while I teetered on death for breakfast.My cousin is doing great and nothing will happen to him.The owners moved away last month so it's less painful but I still dream of my friend and feel his fur with dreamy hands. THERE IS NO GOD

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