In An Overly Religious World...

Ever since I cemented my atheistic beliefs in high school, I feel stifled in what often seems like a religion-oriented world. I know that I'm not alone in my beliefs, but it's frustrating to see hardcore religious folks negatively impact the world with their ignorance and intolerance.

Mind you, I'm not saying every believer in the world is "bad" or "stupid". Most of my friends have a religious background, and I once considered converting to Christianity. In fact, here's a quick bit of history on me:
I went to a Catholic preschool, moved on to public school, and then returned to another Catholic school during high school. The funny thing is, I'm an atheist because of my experiences at school. I was raised in an agnostic home & was merely sent to Catholic schools for the "prestige" of being in a private school, despite the fact that the prestige came with a pretty hefty price tag.

I kept a bemused attitude towards God throughout school, bouncing back and forth between faiths as I grew up. I mean, I was usually the kid who questioned things too much for her own good. In Sunday school, I often wondered how God worked. Did He watch everyone and "speak" to them individually? Why didn't everyone go to Heaven if He loved all his children? Did He have to pee like us?

At times, despite my doubt, I felt connected to something out there that loved me.
But then again...
Mostly, I scoffed at the idea of religion. Why place my faith in something that can't be proved? Science has done so much, proven miracles that were mystifying a few decades ago -- but what has faith done for humans? It has allowed extremists to justify their violence/stupidity with their religion, for one, and knowing that always gives me a sick taste in my mouth.

·     "Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
- Adolf Hitler

  • My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns. We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.

       - James Watt, Secretary of the Interior for Ronald Reagan
        Quoted in the Washington Post, May 24, 1981

The rest of my doubt and confusion disappeared when I entered high school. A Theology course was required every year, so I found myself immersed in the history, morals, and down-and-dirty details of Christianity. My teacher, who had been a devout Christian for 40 years before "seeing the light" and converting to Buddhism (he liked meditating an awful lot), taught me another way to look at the Bible. Suddenly, the Bible was no longer a sacred, infallible document. When you look closely at it, there are so many odd discrepancies and absurdities in it.
For example, Lot offers his virgin daughters daughters to rapists (to save the angels! must save the angels from the rapists!), after which the daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son.
Okay, so do we have a checklist? The Bible tells us that a righteous man condones violence, sacrificing his children, rape, ******, and... his daughters must always be bimbos who have baby boys. (Almost all the important births are boys! Gah, this galls my feminist values.)

That was when I became a full-blown skeptic. I began arguing in Moral Theology class, surfed sites like The Skeptic's Annotated Bible/Quran/Book of Moron, and did everything I could to help the growth of my faith. It was -- and still is -- a very rewarding experience.

I only hope that people I meet won't judge me solely by my beliefs; the world would be an awesome place if no one was narrow-minded!

AntOnTheMirror AntOnTheMirror
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24 Responses May 19, 2007

you might find OSHO interesting. "there are no devils" "jesus never died on the cross" "religion was created to protect man"

I live in China and religion is not popular here. Yet the people are kinder and gentler than any religious people I have met. Here it is rejected because it is seen as believing in magic, and it is seen as brainwashing.

Chinese people are kind to outsiders, but they often treat each other like dogs.
Also, a lot of Chinese people do practice occult things like leaving food at altars for their dead ancestors when they know good and well it does nothing for them.
Chinese music is full of magic as well.

I don't think the world is overly religious. I think it just has a few religion nutcases that make every religious person and every religion look crazy. But in times of crisis, whole nations rely on religious faith for comfort. Nothing wrong with that:) Sometimes I think Atheists are so eager to prove that something doesn't exist that they forget what does.


Here’s why the anti-theist view of the world is hopelessly delusional:

(1)’ Everything that exists has an objective explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.

(A) If atheism is true, the universe came into being ex nihilo sine causa.
(A1) Therefore, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence.

(B) If the universe did not come to exist ex nihilo sine causa then atheism is false.
(B1) Therefore, the universe has an objective explanation of its existence.

(2)’ The universe exists.
(3)’ The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.
(4)’ Therefore, the space-time universe exists because of an external cause.

(5)’ The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent good personal being.
(6)’ A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent good personal being is the definition of God.
(7)’ Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God.

(8)’ Therefore atheism is false.

Other than making a *** hoc ergo propter hoc argument, your claim that atheism is false is absurd. You are confused about the definition of the word atheist. An atheist is someone that does not believe in god. Not believing in something is not the same as stating something does not exist. Therefor how can you call into question weather atheism exists or not? Can you tell me what I believe? How can you say that my disbelief in something is true or false? Oh that's right, you can't.

Weak sauce argument. If this argument helps you reinforce your self delusion I say whatever gets you though the night.

You missed the thrust of my syllogism. Perhaps a historical context will help clarify things for you. Most prominently, Totalitarianism, for instance, has shown itself to be, by necessity, atheistic in nature.

These regimes brainwashed children with gnostic atheism by teaching them that there was no such thing as God even though they had no evidence to support their positive claim. They also brainwashed children to believe atheists were more rational that theists because the latter suffered from insanity which is why they believed in God in the first place. The combinations of all this brainwashing fueled their psychotic bigotry and hatred for all theists just for being theists.

Historically, that's how the indoctrination of the religion of Gnostic Atheism was carried out. As such, Gnostic Atheism is not only completely delusional but a ferocious enemy of freedom.

I have much more freedom in atheist China then I ever had in the USA. And the people are much nicer and more moral.

I may have missed the thrust of your syllogism because of the absence of any of the absurd assumptions made in your reply.

I dispute the claim that there were regimes that motivated solely for the purpose of spreading atheism.

While I tend to agree with the idea that theists are less rational which is why they can believe in god. I don't think that brainwashing children to accept the premise is necessary if they are not brainwashed by theists with the hard to believe story of god before they have an opportunity to learn about religion with open minds. I would be willing to bet that if not for the teaching of the absurd at an early age there would be far fewer believers.

How does one have free will if they are taught not to question anything and to believe everything on faith or suffer the consequences.

You probably believe that the believers in Zeus, Thor, Neptune or the other 1000 plus gods were delusional as well. Please correct me if I am wrong. Is your god the one true god because you say so? If you were born in Saudi Arabia would you be a christian?

To answer your question, yes, I most certainly would be Christian if I was born in Saudi Arabia or any other corner of the globe.

More to the point, you've done nothing to dispel my logical argument. Try again.

I. What in the Bible has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt?

II. As many, many scientists in many, many different fields have confirmed through evidence, gradualism is a canard. That you conveniently gloss over this fact doesn't change it or make it go away.

Without gradualism evolution is as viable as a flying invisible pink unicorn ... without a brain.

Although I imagine you could always try to bring back Lamarckism, Telegony. Alchemy or Emication. After all, many unbiased scientists are working so very hard to resurrect the dead, and inane, theory of Spontaneous Generation (reincarnated as Abiogenesis).

As far as any supposed genetic evidence that purportedly shows common descent, drawing dogmatic conclusions based on just 0.0025% of all available genetic evidence is a grossly fallacious Dicto Simpliciter. It's poor reasoning like this which led sooooo many scientists in the past to arrogantly proclaim canards as truth.

Think Alchemy, Neptunism, the geocentric universe, Spontaneous Generation, Lamarckism, Emication, the existence of the planet Vulcan, Lysenkoism, Gradualism, Trepanation, Miasma theory of disease, Telegony, the expanding earth, the existence of Phlogiston, martian canals, Luminiferous Aether, the Steady State Theory, Cold Fusion, Hollow Earth Theory and Phrenology.

Just another case of the blind leading the blind ...

III. "If atheism solved all human woe, then the Soviet Union would have been an empire of joy and dancing bunnies, instead of the land of corpses." - John C Wright

Asked and answered. Logically speaking, we cannot have an infinite regress of Creators (Hilbert's Grand Hotel). As such, there must necessarily exist a being who has simply always existed. No beginning, no end. This is a more appropriate and elevated concept of God.

Any simpler and I'm gonna have to break out the crayons, h e heh ehe :)

Except for the fact that the gradualism of a class of organisms into another distinct class has never been directly observed. The argument here is that this takes millions of years - which no one has ever witnessed because, well, it takes millions of years - but the fossil record, which is supposed to show a series of infinitesimally gradual changes from one being to another over the course of millions of years, shows the opposite but it is hoped that the “missing” fossils of these intermediate species will one day be found. In summary, the sole evidence for evolution is the assumption of evolution. If that's not circular reasoning, what is?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Danton, Lenin, Than Shwe, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Ceausescu, Honecker, Castro, Pol Pot, Milosevic, Bonaparte and Mussolini sadistic, mass murdering atheists?

@Hallieparker. Thank you for starting your essay with those words.....The bible says, it saved me from reading the rest of your essay. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm sorry, you did mention that the girls were the influence on the father, my error.

The most important thing to remember is that the Old Testament was prior to Jesus. At that time, you had to prove your worth, and make sacrifices for your sins - and repopulating a family name- was sometimes gross, but remember the girls had to get the father drunk, so it was actually their idea to have him sleep with them. When Jesus came, He paid our debt, so no more debt collectors came after us. Just like any bail out company, there is an agreement that is signed. You agree that Jesus is God's true Son and follow Him to the best of your ability, and in return, He covers your sins/debt. I hope that is an understandable analogy. For the record, this is just my personal opinion and you are probably versed better in theology with your studies. I truly believe He does love all of us, but because we have free will, we have to come into agreement with him before he helps us. He realizes we don't really like when entities just barge into our lives and take over. I mean, even Tabitha and Chef Ramsay have those rules and agreements in place before they take over a salon or restaurant. And they are a lot more harsh about truth.

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are you serious? i mean i respect you, but "dose he have to PEE like us?" i mean COMON!! -_-

I was reading, and stopped at Atlantis. I just refused to read any more after that lol.. *sighz*

Wow HallieParker, what a load of crap and it took you so long to type it. To a group of atheists who don't believe a word you wrote nor accept the references you were so eloquent in misinterpreting. Ya kind of lost me with the rouge planets Center of God's Universe thing. The rest... well, life's too short to read such stuff. You only have one life and it only has so many minutes in it. Then you are dead.<br />
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The problem I have with religion is a person is apt to believe what he or she was raised to believe. In America the majority of people believe in God because that is how we were raised. In India its reincarnation (I think) Were we just lucky enough to be born in the right place,or were they?

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The God in the Bible doesn’t do supernatural things because we can do anything the Bible says God can do. Now be brave and read on.<br />
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A while back CNN had the musician Will I Am stand in a special studio at some music festival and have his holographic image appear on the set of Anderson Cooper 360’s study and you could hear Will I Am talking and singing. So instead of Will I Am projecting the image of a in this CNN studio how about the following: burning bush that is not consumed by the fire with the sound of someone speaking, an Angel talking to the Virgin Mary, or the Angel sitting in Jesus’ tomb after his resurrections. What I think would be really cool is a holographic projection that filled a night sky with angels singing or the Star Bethlehem. I’m sure this wouldn’t cost as much as it cost to make that stupid movie Avitar.<br />
If you study the Creation Story in Genesis it is clear that either God told Moses how He created the Universe or Moses was smarter the Stephen Hawkings to begin naming the names of people who are experts on the Theory of Evolution. Except for the creation of the Earth coming before the creation of the Sun. the Moon, and the Stars Moses, being smarted then Stephen Hawkings figured out the exact sequent in which the creation of life on the planet Earth unfolded. Moses knew know that all was darkness with unformed matter and that the Spirit of God hovered over water. The stuff you see in those Big Bang documentaries. The Moses figured out what happened next, a massive explosion of light. When God said, “Let there be light” what happened look like what we see in those evolution movies about the Big Bang. <br />
How did Moses know you began with light because light is made up subatomic particles which are the building blocks of atoms? Do you really believe Moses was smarter than Stephen Hawkings?<br />
In sci-fi, eve on Star Trek, they have they encounter rogue planets that are inhabited, but the idea that the Earth began its existence as rogue planet is impossible. It appears the Earth came first was God’s way to telling us that we the center of God’s Universe. <br />
When they designed the space ships to land on the moon they figured there would be about six feet of moon dust ba<x>sed on the age of the moon and a calculation of the number of meteorite strikes had hit the moon. Well, there was less then an inch of dust on the surface of the moon. So they changed theories from the moon was torn form the Earth to the our Moon was a rouge moon that drifted into our solar system and some it managed to work its way past all those big planets with their massive gravitational pull and arrive close enough for the Earth’s gradational pull to suck it right into its orbit so it could affect the tides and such on Earth. I suppose the Moon could have decided rotating around the Earth would make the Moon happy and so the Man in the Moon had a home in our heavens.<br />
Using a super collier we create scale a model of the explosion that occurred when God said “Let the Light” so if we do something we thought was supernatural when God did it, its not supernatural. <br />
I always liked the theoretical physicist with their model of the Big Bang because their calculations showed the universe explored and imploded over an over again. That idea is not much fun so they decided that for some unknown reason one time when the universe exploded it didn’t implode and just continued to expand. You have to give this event a name so they call it the Hiccup of God.<br />
Their theory is something like this. Before the Big Bang there was a huge super collider that generated universes one after another that exploded and then imploded until it malfunctioned in an event that is known as the Hickup of God. When this happened this Super Collider blew itself up and now you’re reading this book. <br />
It seems odd to me that in their quest to prove there is God they have unlocked many of the ways God used to create the Universe. Take for example, the creation of Adam. Rejecting the story that God created Adam from dust they have done a lot of experimentation to show that amino acid can be form out of inorganic substances. If we can create amino acids which are the building blocks of organic life then God changing an inorganic substance, dust, to an organic substance isn’t supernatural it’s just advanced science.<br />
Let’s take a look at the creation of Eve. God put Adam to sleep, which is what Anastasia does. God removes one of Adam’s ribs and closes up the wound which is what we do during surgery. Then God re-sequenced Adams DNA from male to female because God does genetic engineering like we are learning to do. This explains why all life form on Earth, plants and animal are ba<x>sed on the same DNA platform.<br />
If you go to Wikipedia and read an article on Theistic Evolution, which this article says Billy Graham accepts as the method God followed as He created the Universe, you will see an excellent discussion of how the Bible can be reconciled with what science teaches about how the Universe came into being. <br />
Let’s look at the Virgin Birth. Using in vitro fertilization technology the question is now how many virgin births do you want next year? We can clone a human being and resequence DNA so we can make a clone of the Virgin Mary after resequencing her DNA from female to male and we have Jesus who is not half God and half man, but one hundred percent human. I you do it this way it you can produce a human being who is sinless. And God laughed at Satan because Satan had been creating all these half god and half human rulers while Satan couldn’t figure out how God could create a son without having sex with a woman.<br />
Jesus wasn’t half God and half human. He was a human being just like me and I’m not half god and half human. He was born just like I was and he died just like I will later in my life. I see these stupid paintings of the Madonna and Child with halos. I’d like to see some paintings of Jesus done by an artist that had actually read the Bible. You’d see things like the Toilet Training of Jesus, Jesus in school learning how to read and write, and Jesus hopping around in pain with a hammer in one hand and his finger in his mouth because he’d hit his finger instead of a nail. If people actually read the Bible we wouldn’t have this stupid movie where they find Holy Grail and it’s a rough looking wooden drinking cup. The Last Supper was held in the dining room of a rich man. You would think a man rich enough to have an upstairs dining room would have something pretty things serve wine in.<br />
Noah could do genetic engineering. Sci-fi has lots of stories about four men and four women getting into a space craft with lots of genetic materials and fly to a distant planet and establish a new civilizations. People think this is possible, but don’t think Noah and his Ark are possible.<br />
If you look at the story of the Tower of Babel you see God evaluating what they are doing He says, “If they can do this speaking one language there is nothing they cannot do.” This tells us two things. First, these people aren’t building a tall tower they have some sort of advance technology like we do. Second, this is a Prophecy of our technology, but this time God seems to think we hand this technology because He has prepared the way by sending us Jesus. The Bible suggests there advance technologies in the past such as the Tower of Babel and the evidence this technology was also destroyed in the Great Flood, but lingers on in Atlantis stories.<br />
People cannot believe that God can keep can keep track of all that is happening in the Universe. There can be over 600 million people all can online on at Facebook at the same time. We can do data mining and find terrorist and some guy at Goldman Sacks bragging in his e-mails that he put together a 10 Million dollar mortgage back security that was all junk because he let some hedge fund manager pick the mortgages that went into the mortgage back security so the hedge fund manager stole a lot of mortgage backed security implode. <br />
To fight Irish Terrorists England put the entire county under view surveillance. This guy who recently beat a woman to death they have surveillance footage of his leaving her apartment. If you run a red light a computer driven system photographs the car and send at ticket to the registered owner of that vehicle. I suppose if we wanted to spend the money we could create a computer ba<x>sed system that would monitor the entire universe like God does If we can do this God doing this isn’t supernatural.<br />
From time to time God would purge the prophet of false gods from Israel. My favorite is the god off challenge. God’s man challenges all the other prophets to a contest. Build alters to your god and have your god ignite the wood for the offering. Then I will have the true God light the wood under my sacrifice. The stage is an elevated place that has a flat top and the people of Israel can gather to watch.<br />
God’s man is pouring so much water on the wood under his sacrifice that has a trough running down the mountain so the water can run off after it soaks the wood. When final prophet to a false god finishes with no result God’s guy prays a little and the wood under his alter ignites. We can do this. We have laser cutting touches that generate so much heat they can cut through plate steel. As the laser is doing this there are little fires of burning metal where the laser has touched the metal. Setting fire to a pile of wood is a simple task with one of these lasers. Because we can do this what God did isn’t supernatural.<br />
A lot of people think God created the entire Universe in 144 hours. First, after God created Adam God showed Adam all the plants and animals and has Adam name them and some how they got back to the Garden of Eden so God could create Eve later in the day. Second, the Sun, the moon, and the stars were created on the Fourth Day and our measurement of a day is ba<x>sed on the Earth’s relationship to the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. Third, it says in the Bible that a thousand years to us is but a second to God. Fourth, when we speak of our teenage years we refer to this time period as “back in the day” and the word day is singular while we mean more than a 24 hour period of time. And there is a lot more, but this isn’t a theology text book. <br />
Tthe idea of humans and dinosaurs living on the Earth at the same time has pretty well been covered by the Jurassic Park movies. The problem is these people worship the King James Bible as the inerrant work of God that has no translation errors in to. Therefore it says six days its six day. They believe that drinking alcohol is a sin and where it says Jesus made wine he actually made grape juice. This is a translation error in a Bible that contains no translation errors. Have you ever tried to serve grape juice to a bunch of people at a wedding that are pretty well lit up and want to get drunker.<br />
Now Jesus turning water into wine at the Wedding in Canaan isn’t really supernatural because we can do that. On December 23, 2010 Trek’n Eat announced a new product. “Mountaineering gourmets no longer have to forgo a glass of red wine after conquering a peak. Trek‘n Eat has now launched a new red wine in the form of a powder. The beverage powder that comes in convenient portions packed in pouches has an alcoholic content of 8,2%, which is similar to a light bottled wine. A matching mulled wine has also been developed for expeditions in snow and the cold – for celebrating the special moment at night camp.”<br />
Every time the Bible shows Jesus raising the dead he begins by saying the person is not dead, but sleeping which suggest they were in what we would describe as a coma. Vince Price made all these scary movies that featured people who would have a pull cord that went from inside their coffee to a bell on the surface near their tomb stone so if they came out of one of these comas they could signal the surface some one would dig up his or her coffin. I liked it when grave robbers dug up one of these people. <br />
If you look at what Jesus actually did when he healed people he’s just a medical missionary. Jesus puts some substance into the blind person’s eyes. When he heals the deaf he puts is fingers into the deaf person’s dears quick pulls them out. These seem like the types of things doctors in our time do to treat patients. One day Jesus saw a crippled man who when the water moved in the pool he would try to be the first person into the pool. If a cripple man can actually move is he physically crippled or does he have some mental illness reason for his situation. Was Jesus treating a mental illness when he told this man to pick up his bed and go home? In Jesus’ time dislocating a finger, for example, would make someone a cripple because they didn’t know how to treat dislocated fingers and other joints in the body. Jesus sent out his twelve disciples, including Judas, to spread the Good News and to tend to the blind, the deaf, the leaper, and the crippled. Had this healing ability been supernatural God would not have given this ability on Judas.<br />
You see faith healers on TV shaking people, screaming “Heal!” over and over again, then this person who walks with the Satan pushes the person back, where two men catch him or her. A lawyer I know had a client who was injured when the catchers failed to catch her and she landed on the floor. When this lawyer did his closing argument said as he settled to his knees, “I don’t understand why the Defendant didn’t just get down on his knees and heal her again.”<br />
The traditional view is someone who is a messenger does miracles as part of his or her resume. See, I can do miracles therefore you need to listen to what I am telling you. When Moses was confronting Pharaoh the magicians in Pharaoh’s court could do the same things. What we do is send out medical missionaries who treat the sick and disabled. See this people want to know why this person cares about them and he or she simply says, “Because this is what God wants me to do.” Jesus was Christianity’s first medical missionary.<br />
If you go to YouTube and use “walking on water shoes” as your search term you will see videos of different styles of walking on water shoes that people wear when they are walking on water. So Jesus and the boys have come up one of these walking on water shoes and Jesus is walking around wearing a pair of these shoes. Peter was the disciple who was always the first to try something Jesus would do so he puts on a pair of these walking on water shoes. At this time Peter had a self confidence problem so he counts the waves and flounders. Jesus comes over to his friend, takes Peter’s hand and comments on Peter’s lack of faith, but not Peter’s lack of faith in God, but Peter’s lack of faith in himself. I don’t see Jesus walking on water as supernatural because walking on water shoes is something we can make. As for what Jesus said about Peter denying he is one of Jesus’ Disciples that was easy. <br />
Jesus saw this happened when God and Jesus looked through of all the history of the Universe from Alpha to Omega. It appears that Satan also has this ability. At Acts 16:16 we find a slave girl who was possessed by a spirit that gave her the ability to see into the future. She was following Paul and her saying a load voice that Paul and is companion where sent by the Lord Most High and were telling people the way to Heaven. Paul cast out this demon and they next day the owners of this slave girl had Paul in court demanding compensation for the damage to the value of their slave when Paul cast this demon out of this slave girl. Because Satan could also see all that Jesus would do Satan created all these imitations of Jesus that Christopher Hitchens is so fond of talking about.<br />
It’s worth noting that our bodies will not come back to life when we are resurrected from the grave. We will be in our Heavenly bodies sort of like a one time reincarnation. Lots of people like to talk about there past lives as Kings and Queens, but they never seem to want to talk about the time they lived as a Galley Slave. <br />
People ask if they will know people in Heaven. Sure, the will recognized everyone in Heaven. When Moses and Ilesha appeared before Jesus and two of his disciples they were in their Heavenly Bodies. Jesus don’t introduce Moses and to his disciples. The disciples knew who these people were. And Jesus showed these disciples what his Heavenly Body would look like.<br />
King Saul had a crisis of confidence about his actually being God’s choice for King. He went to the Witch of Endor and had her call back the Sprit of the Prophet Samuel who I’m sure appeared in his Heavenly Body. Samuel reassured King Saul that he was God’s anointed one. For some reason the fact that she’s called a witch confuses people into thinking she is on dark side.<br />
When God agreed to show Moses what God looked like God was not invisible because He placed His over Moses who was in a crevice of a rock so the Moses to shield Moses from the full glory of God. If you have a hand in your full glory you aren’t invisible so I doubt that God is invisible<br />
When Jesus was dying on the cross he said Father, Father , why hast thou forsaken me which takes you to the 22nd Psalms which said that Jesus would not be broken, his side would be pierce and everything that happened to Jesus when he was dying no the cross. People think Nostradamus can see into the future, but he cannot do this. And if you look at his track record a lot of quatrains have translated before as related to something that had just happened.<br />
The Bible is not clear what happens to all the people in the past and now who had no opportunity to know the Good News of Jesus, but the Apostle Paul said that those who do not know the law, but obey the law they are justified.<br />
A lot of people claim they are martyrs because they cannot display the Ten Commandments in public schools, court rooms, public parks, and so forth, but see no need to display the Ten Commandments in their churches. And they don’t know what a martyr really is.<br />
Emperor Nero would put lots of Christians in his coliseum and release lions, tigers, and such that had not eaten for three or four days into the coliseum. All of this Christians did what St. Cecilia did. As low as they could they sang praises to their God. Every night you could go to Golgotha and see Christians nailed to crosses, covered with oil, and set on fire singing as load as they could praises to their God. These were God’s first missionaries.<br />
Within about a year everyone in the Roman Empire knew what a Christian was because talking about the crazy things Nero did was like us talking about what some celebrity does. These Romans all would asks, “who is this Jesus of Nazareth whose Disciples sing praises to their God at the top of the lungs while being eaten by wild animals or burning to death nailed to a cross at night.”<br />
Nero burn down a third of Rome to make room for more palaces for his use and of course this evil Christians did this. Instead of fighting this fire Nero played his fiddle. Just another crazy thing Nero did that people talked about when they wanted to know more about these Christians.<br />
Here is a stump the Bible Thumpers question. At the very beginning of Christianity who was the first person Jesus selected to carry the Good News out into the world? <br />
Christianity is a strange religion because it teaches, while doubt this happened, Adolph Hitler could recited the Lord’s Prayer because he’d made a Decision for Christ just before he blew out his brains and be in Heaven and some Popes aren’t going to make the cut. If you ask a Roman Catholic what they think of the Pope the say, “Walks in the Shoes of the Fisherman” (good pope) or “God sure can pick them.” (bad Pope) I saw Billy Graham on Larry King and Billy said he hoped to see his parents in Heaven. For some reason people like to crawl up on God’s Thrown and pretend they are God like I was a little kid and would sit in the pilot’s seat of my Daddy’s airplane and pretend to be flying. They sit up there judging people pretending to be God. What they have done is substituted God for themselves and have elevated this junior god they like to pretend they are above God which is a form of Idolatry because they are now worshipping themselves.<br />
When Jesus was in the Synogouge he read from the Torah. He didn’t recite Bible verses and prance around screaming at people. What Charles Stanley delivering a sermon if you want to see someone who preaches in the style of Jesus. When I was a child my grandparents owned a TV solely for the purpose of watching the monthly Billy Graham revival on NBC. My grandparents were watching and listening to Billy Graham reading a passage from the Bible. In unison the reached down to the floor, picked up their Bibles, quickly opened to the passage Billy was reading, glanced down, and confirmed that while reading from the Bible Billy Graham had omitted the word “the.” My point is my grandparents had to check the text of their Bibles before they were sure Billy Graham had in fact omitted the word “the” when he was reading from the Bible. As Ronald Reagan said, “trust, but verify.”<br />
I don’t have a clue as to when life begins. But I know exactly when life ends. For example, life ends when some mentally unstable person listens to people like Bill O’Reilly say over an over any, “Remember that’s Dr. Tiller, baby killer” and then assassinated a Christian named Dr. Tiller during worship service at a Lutheran Church because this assassin saw in the church bulletin that Dr. Tiller was going to be an usher at that worship service. If you get an abortion just say The Lord’s Prayer and if what you did was actually a sin you have asked to be forgiven and you’re once again right with God. In the Lutheran Church when we confess our sins we merely God that we want to do better. None of this God make me into a super perfect Christian nonsense.<br />
When they brought the adulterous woman to Jesus in the courtyard so he could judge her he was writing in the dirt with his finger. As a fellow writer I knew he was drafting one of his Parables which is easy for him because when he became a man at age twelve he could already confound the Rabbis and teachers in the main place of worship in Jerusalem. These Parables aren’t something written by the hand of God like the first set of The Ten Commandments. <br />
This extended childhood children have today is an invention of the Industrial age. God expected a boy of twelve to be a man and not a teenager for nearly a decade more. When I am walking alone at night and am a bit scared I do what I think Jesus did when he was walking alone at night and was little scared of the dark. He would recite the 23rd Psalms, “Yea though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no evil no evil, For Your with me, Your rod and staff, they comfort me.” Well the Valley of the Shadow of Death sounds more scary then were I’m at so I’m not scared. <br />
People ask how to you find a good church. Google “Evangelical Lutheran Church in America” and take a look. Then shop for a church online by looking at the websites for different denominations. Don’t go to some worship service and if a few people great you join up. Go during the week and interview the Pastor and tell him or her exactly what you are. Tell them that you’re a homosexual or a Transsexual or whatever because if this preacher is all screwed up you know this congregation is all screwed because this congregation hired this preacher. Most preachers think it’s a sin that I don’t tithe. Well in the Old Testament one tenth of the tithe went to support the church and nine tenths went to support the government which was responsible to take care of the widows, orphans, and poor. I pay lots in taxes. And if it’s a sin its forgiven when I say The Lord’s Prayer.<br />
Or do what President Obama did. Find yourself a preacher who preachers like the Old Testament Prophets who were going around saying God Damn Israel because so the Israelites failed to care for the widows, orphans, and the poor. Find someone like Jeremiah Wright who speaks the truth when he screams “God Damn America” because we don’t give a damn about the widows, the orphans, and the poor you sit in your pew and say “Right On Brother!”<br />
God and Jesus saw Jesus nailed to a cross with all the sin of the world, past, present, and future all within is only begotten son. When God saw all the sins of the world all in one place he saw such an abomination that so detested him that He broke the bond between Jesus and Himself leaving Jesus to cry out “Father, Father why hast thou forsake me!” <br />
This isn’t some, oh how nice, he calls out to his Daddy. Jesus new at the Alpha he would be born all human, that he would be nailed to a cross, and suffer such agony that the night before his crucifixion he cried tears of blood as he begged his father not to make him do this, but still he said they will be done because he honored his father which is what a child is told to do in The Ten Commandments. Satan knew Jesus’ weak spot, Jesus terror at having his Father turn away from him as he bore all the sins of the world while being nailed to a cross. I am just guessing, but what Jesus felt when his Father turned away from him is what some one feels like in Hell.<br />
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But I still I don’t understand Christianity. I don’t understand why Satan is in this Universe that God created so I could be born and fellowship with Him during my walk with Jesus through my earthly life. Then I will resurrected into a Heavenly Body and be with God, Jesus, and the Holly Sprit for all eternity. Bbest of all I will have my own room so I can just sit and write novels because Jesus said there are many rooms in the mansions that are in Heaven Or I will doing something else that God wants me to do because He knows doing something I that would make me happier then sitting at a computer writing novels does for me now. <br />
God saw all the way from the the Alpha, all the way to the end of the first Earth, the Omega when He He said, “Let There Be Light. He saw every person who would be born and wrote the names of those who would be offered the Gift of Salivation because Jesus said, “I chose you, you do not choose me.” <br />
But we have free will so someone whose name is written in the book of life may choose his or her life in such a way that God blots that person’s name from the Book of Life.<br />
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God promised Ishmael and Jacob that He would raise up a great nation for each of them. Then He sent Jesus into the world and one of these great nations embraced Jesus as their Lord and Savior and the other as a Great Prophet. Christians believe that they enter Heaven not ba<x>sed on merit, but soul by accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Members of the Great Nation of Ishmael face good deeds against bad deeds balancing of the scales of justice on their judgment day.<br />
Christians believe in a God that is a Three in One God. We believe the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit existed as one entity, one being, at the beginning of time and that Jesus took on human form as the only incarnate Son of God when he became human. When returned to Heaven he returned to being a part of this Three in One God.<br />
The Koran places great emphasis on Allah as a single entity God, not a Three In One God. Some Islamic scholars believe that when Allah was told the contents of the Koran to Mohammad the Satan was whispering false verses into Mohammad's ear. If you read the Koran Allah keeps insisting or an over again that he is not a Three In One God that I got the impression that Allah is not sure about what he is saying and the Satan succeeded in his efforts to cause people in the Great Nation of Ishmael to reject the idea that Allah is a Three Person God. For an example of Satan’s doing this in a Christian Bible look at First Corinthians 6:9 in the New International Bible published by Zondervan Press which refers to “homosexual offenders” rather than what they are, Sodomites.<br />
Only a Prophet of God can declare war or jihad. Mohammad is the last Prophet of Allah because Allah wanted his followers to know that there would be no jihad after the time of Mohammad. Of course, Satan has a different idea.<br />
There is Wandering Jew who rejected Jesus as the Messiah and God punishes him by making him wander the Earth in remorse so Jesus can return while some one living on the Earth at the time of Jesus is still alive. Go to John 21:21-23 and meet the Wandering Disciple who was alive when Jesus was alive and is still alive waiting the return of his friend and Savior Jesus. Verse 20 is the longest substitution for the pronoun me that I have seen in another manusc<x>ript.<br />
People go, oh yeah, a talking snake. The other animal that talks in the Bible is Balaam’s donkey. A man of God named Balaam is riding his donkey and God is displeased with where Balaam is going Angel of the Lord is standing in the road way. The donkey sees the Angel, Balaam doesn’t he beating on is donkey until the donkey asks Balaam why doesn’t see the Angle of the Lord standing in front of them. <br />
In the real world Navy Sailors use hand gestures to direct dolphins to search for mines, there are primates that talk back and forth with people using sign language, most of us have seen a dog whimpering at the door communicating that he or she wants to go outside, and hunter a hunting dog tells the dog to and when the dog finds what the dog has been trained to find the dog talks to hunter by pointing. <br />
God and Satan are at war for some reason. It seems that what God saw looking from the Alpha to the Omega was His plan to win this war with Satan. It is more like a movie sc<x>ript. God’s sc<x>ript is of a war movie that has a story that changes as the movie is being filmed. For example, if God knew who He had given the Gift of Salvation who would decline the gift by not walking with Jesus their names wouldn’t be in the Book of Life to begin with. John 3:16 is an open casting call to those who want to be in this movie and have their names added to the Book of Life. Jesus told Satan that his Father was also Satan’s God. And like a parent has to do when he or she has to exercise some tough love by excelling one of their children, God in the end will exile Satan, who God still loves, to Hell. This is like Queen Elizabeth who on her death bed whispered “Dudley” who the love of her life he betrayed her by participating a plot to overthrow her a Queen just as Satan had participated in a plot to overthrow God.<br />
We do see miracles every day. When some person who walks with Satan instead of with Jesus shot Congresswoman Gabriele Giffords in the head and she survived people see this as merely another medical miracle. God performed a miracle if we are not those whom Jesus said have eyes, but cannot see. God knew what was going to happened so He cared for the needs of Congresswoman’s medical needs by having someone who knew how to treat patients who has just been shot in the head right there with the Congresswoman. <br />
So what about Islam? God promised Ishmael and Jacob that He would raise up a great nation for each of them. Then He sent Jesus into the world and one of these great nations embraced Jesus as their Lord and Savior and the other as a Great Prophet. Christians believe that they enter Heaven not ba<x>sed on merit, but soul by accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Members of the Great Nation of Ishmael face a good deeds against bad deeds balancing of the scales of justice on their judgment day.<br />
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Christians believe in a God that is a Three in One God. We believe the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit existed as one entity, one being, at the beginning of time and that Jesus took on human form as the only incarnate Son of God when he became human. When returned to Heaven he returned to being a part of of this Three in One God.<br />
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The Koran places great emphasis on Allah as a single entity God, not a Three In One God. Some Islamic scholars believe that when Allah was tell the contents of the Koran to Mohammad the Satan was whispering false verses into Mohammad's ear. Salmon Rushdie’s book Satanic Verses deal with this view amongst some Islamic scholars.<br />
To see an example of Satan succeeding in his effort to do this during the translation of a Christian Bible look at First Corinthians 6:9-11 in The New International Version of the Bible where Satan got the translators to use the words ‘homosexual offenders” instead of “Sodomites.” Sodomites engage in anal sex and homosexuals engage in oral. God does not express any opinion about oral sex one way or the other.<br />
A more serious example of Satan’s handiwork is at 1 John 2:2 (“ He [Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” and 1 John 4:10 “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”<br />
The English language of the Vulgate Bible reads [text pending - Jesus is a sacriment]<br />
Martin Luther was checking the work of St. Jerome who translated the original texts into Latin Vulgate Bible. There is a big difference between Jesus as a sacrifice and Jesus as a sacrament. This difference in wording is what triggered, in large part, the Protestant Reformation because the difference in wording prevented Martin Luther from implementing reform within the Roman Catholic Church.<br />
While this translation error has not been carried forward by the Roman Catholic Church approved Bibles, this is an example of Satan influencing the text of a Christian Bible.<br />
So what’s my point? John 3:16 is a Valentine from your Daddy that says, “I love you let me be your Daddy and forget all that Satan talk you hear in so many “Christian” homes and churches?”<br />
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God Bless You and Keep You Forever in the Cuddle of God.

I really find myself wishing I was British sometimes. Should the unspeakable happen & Sarah Palin gets elected president in 2012, I may find myself forced to emigrate to the U.K.

I'm guessing (because you said High School and because you feel stifled by religion) that you're from America. You should come to Britain (Perhaps not Northen Ireland). We're much more accepting of Atheists. It's even become the case that religious people are complaining that they aren't represented enough in the media. I suppose that's because the majority of scientific documentaries are presented as scientific documentaries and so present evidence in a logical way without talking about God, the majority of comedians are Atheists and so their material can sometimes be quite anti-religion and most other programs just have no need to bring religion into things. Have you heard of Tim Minchin? He's an Australian Atheist Comedian who does some brilliant songs and routines about religion. Here's a little taster

One of my primary issues with orgnanized religion is it seems as if it is immune to the laws of the land as well as common decency to humankind! Kind of ****** me off a little. The Catholics need to be held responsible for the injustices done to their children, I do not care what anyone thinks it is wrong and the church needs to be brought to justice.

I recently converted from catholicism to buddhism. i understand what you went through in your skepticism about catholicism because i worked at a church for 6 years and i learned all about the inner workings and politics that take place.<br />
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my biggest issue with religion currently, is that people forget or distort to extraordinary lengths the teachings and the basis of the religions. Jesus didn't tell his followers to declare war on those that didn't believe him (Though, the bible was written about 300 years after his death, so who knows) but to love your neighbor as if he was your brother.<br />
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there may be a life force out there that may have its hands in alot of things, but i doubt there is a "God" that can smite and screw with you.<br />
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I believe that religion should be a way to focus yourself and find ways to end suffering within yourself and the suffering of others

This is pretty much identical to how I feel about it all, except I consider myself agnostic, not aetheist.<br />
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I don't believe the god that christianity or whatever talks about exists, but I wont deny the fact that A god or a higher power or whatever could exist maybe, it's just the safest group to put yourself under I think.

I understand what you mean about feeling stifled in a religious society, it seems that in the last few years it's only gotten harder to be a "non-believer"

Thanks for sharing your story! I find the paths that people walk to come to their beliefs quite interesting. I get the feeling that there must be a number of born-again Christians who feel that they have walked and struggled with a secular world and then through trials found their faith. The parallel intrigues me. Personally I'm prepared to judge you solely on your beliefs, but only in a positive light ... so what does that say? I see a lot (Lot :P) to agree with in what you say, and the *mechanics* of this business of the Christian God have always underscored the unlikeliness of the whole construct, in my mind.

The second sentence of the James Watt quotation very probably did not originate with James Watt.<br />
Look it up (use it as an opportunity to practice your skepticism).

i personally am not athiest but i respect you for sharing your opions and i'm sorry that you had bad experiences but you sound cool enough

Hmm, what you have said is very interesting indeed. I am an atheist, or I don't have any specific opinions on religion (although I of course respect religions). But religion is a sensitive topic to talk about, and it is never easy to be biased. One shouldn't be to susceptible to religious beliefs, nor trying to deny them completely; but one should be somewhat critical (in the sense that one should use some critical thinking). I admire you for expressing your ideas which I find very interesting! =)

If I used critical thinking skills to ***** a religion, and my critical thinking skills led me to see nothing but emptiness in that religion, can I not then discard that religion and stop assessing it? I am not an atheist, but I am offended by the christian religion that forces is immoral values on me.