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In the wake of the mass killing at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut along with all the other deplorable acts of violence that has occurred again and again in history I am again wondering why anyone would still have a belief in a god. 

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
– Epicurus
MmmBabi MmmBabi 46-50, F 8 Responses Dec 17, 2012

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Actually, the existence of evil acts shows the complete opposite. Observe:

(1) If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist
(2) Evil exists
(3) Therefore, objective moral values and duties do exist
(4) Therefore, God exists
(5) Therefore, God is the loci of all objective moral values and duties

Have you ever considered the Earth and its inhabitants as a zoo, over which the owner keeps a loving eye, but allows the animals thereon to live their own lives? The zookeeper can intervene, but chooses not to on a day to day basis so that he can enjoy their antics? Just because such a being could, but chooses not to, intervene does not mean he does not exist, nor love you.

Now, how about if that zookeeper could hear your calling to him day and night. And when you called you asked for all the carnal things that you need and want ceaselessly. Would you, as the zookeeper, answer each call for comfort? Or would you allow the zoo inhabitants to work it out themselves? It is amazing how many things work themselves out without intervention day to day. Our every crisis is turned back into a plain old work-a-day day with the passage of time.

So, yes, bad things will happen if the zoo is allowed to be a native place, where the zookeeper does not directly manipulate each and every animal therein. Some of the animals will go rogue, killing many of the others until put down, either by themselves or by others in fancy hats. Does that mean the zookeeper does not care? Or that he has allowed those animals to have a free will, to do as they see fit, even if it means bad things happen to the other animals?

You seem intelligent, yet you ache over this decision of yours to reject God. If you did not ache, you would not be on this forum where your decision is subject to debate daily. Perhaps, like me, you have heard the quiet voice of your creator whispering in the dark recesses of your mind how you should live your life, how you should educate yourself, how you should seek that speaker of that voice. You worry that by your earthly decision to reject your creator you have foregone possible eternity. I know I did. And once I learned more, I chose to listen more carefully to that voice. First tentatively. Then weekly. Then, I joined others who hear that siren call. And finally, I chose to throw my life to the rocks of true belief, sustaining the battery of mere men, so that I can profess the one true God. It is not easy, and it can be painful. But, I have found it worth it.

Good luck. I am with you in your pain. I hope you find the true path.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. ------------------------Nah, sorry but that is just stupid. This is life not heaven, if God will prevent every evil then we have no will and there is no point of life, it is no longer a test if we are FORCED to be good!!!! God is not a malevolent, that killer will get his punishment and those children are in a way better place than our life.Having the evil in life doesn't mean that God is happy about it, God has warned us many times to stay away from it, yet you are calling him a malevolent as if he likes the evil? How can he be clearer, he created hell for the evil yet you are trying to view him as someone who encourages evil, try to make some sense.

I dunno...it just all seems so pointless to me.

That's because you don't really want it to make a point, dear.

Why did god let those innocent children die. What have they done in their life(none of them havent even hit puberty) to deserve such a abrupt end to their life. What did they learn in their life? What tests have they took from god and this life with such little time ? better place? are you suggesting that their life on earth with their families and friends wasn't better? I dare you to say those words when your own kid dies. Better place my a ss!!! how dare you to be so condescending. The truth is they died, they did nothing wrong. The truth is they are never coming back. The truth is their families' lives will never be the same. The truth is the lives of the families will never be as good without their children. The truth is the parents of those kids will always be in pain for the rest of their lives. The truth is they died a painful and horrible death. If losing my kids is part of the test by the god, then F UCK your god.

I'd suggest you read my comment again, if you are still not able to understand, quit thinking until you get another brain that's actually working.

please enlighten my brain. Please enlighten me why those kids deserved such an horrible end to their lives. Please enlighten me why those kids lives were not as better as after they died. Please enlighten me why losing their kids is a test from god. How will the lives of the families will be any better after this. How did god made their lives better by taking away their kids. OH, free will, huh? ok, lets have a thought experiment here. Say you are an all knowing being, who lives in past, present and future. And you have a gun and you give that gun to an entity who you know for sure is gonna use to take innocent lives. what does it say about you? What does it say about a god who gave free will to humans knowing full well what we are gonna do with it? what does it say about god who created such flawed creature knowing full well what we are capable of? why did god create evil? if he is all powerful why can't he destroy it. If he is all powerful why can't he just wipe out all the evil in the hearts of bad people. Why does he let good people suffer because of the "free will" of the evil a ssholes. May be allah or god, or whatever the f cuk you call your sky daddy is a bigger a sshole than they are.

I didn't even bother to read all of this, I just know from the way you replied first time that your brain cannot be enlightened so I stopped at that sentence LOL!

why the hell did you come here and post your self righteous bull crap if you can't support your arguments. Or are you just trolling. Lazarus12 said something great " evil prevails when good people or good gods do nothing."

LOL! You did not even reply to any of my arguments in the first comment, you just kept screaming about how those children are dead (which is something we all know), so what should I exactly support my arguments against to? You are funny!

thank you!!! yeah, and you kept saying how god is able to prevent, but he wont, cause he is testing us through this f ucked up s hit!! and i am saying how does losing your kids is a test and how is getting killed a test?

children are in a way better place? how is taken away from your mother and father is better? god warned us about evil?hahah!!! then why the f uck did he create evil in the first place?

1) how does losing your kids is a test and how is getting killed a test?

First of all I didn't say God is testing us through killing, I said that everyone has a free will in order to be tested, otherwise we will be forced to be and do good and of course then test/heaven/hell wouldn't make any sense as we are not responsible for our action but God is intervening and preventing us to do any bad. (don't come later and ask the same question, note that I already cleared that up in my first comment but I am repeating because I understand some people have a problem understanding from the first time LOL!!)

2) children are in a way better place?

Yes of course, are you comparing heaven to our life?

3) god warned us about evil?hahah!!! then why the f uck did he create evil in the first place?

When did God create the evil? Even Satan himself has used his free will and chose to be evil and disobey God. God did not create evil, we bring evil through our actions that we (((choose))) to do, I think this is very obvious and can be observed in real life.

Try to get the concept clear before asking stupid questions that means either one of two things, you didn't read my comment in the first place, you read it but you couldn't comprehend because of various reasons, brain-blindness is one of them for sure !

First of all NO there is no better place for a little kid then being with their loving parents and friends. There is no comparison between heaven and earth, cause it doesn't exist. I REPEAT those kids had a great family and there is no place better for them than with their parents . You should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that their lives here on earth with their loving parents is any less better than in an imaginary place.


lets have a thought experiment here. Say you are an all knowing being, who lives in past, present and future. And you have a gun and you give that gun to an entity who you know for sure is gonna use to take innocent lives. what does it say about you? What does it say about a god who gave free will to humans knowing full well what we are gonna do with it? what does it say about god who created such flawed creature knowing full well what we are capable of?

what does it say about an all powerful allah or god or whoever the f uckward who lives in clouds that doesn't kill the devil or the evil in human's hearts. what does it say about an all powerful god who lets free will of an evil f ucker like Adam lanza to kill twenty innocent children who don't even know the concept of good and bad?

why does god let completely innocents suffer because of the free will of the evil f uckers. The quote is right to the core. You are the one justifying god's incompetency not me. Its his creation doesn't have any point. Why create a world full of poverty, despair, hunger, disease, suffering? why create a world where good people have to suffer just so they die and go to heaven. Why doesn't he just let them in heaven. Please don't say free will, cuase i told you before. there is no point in giving free will if he knows what we are gonna do with it. So your free will argument is utterly ridiculous. Its you who don't understand the concept of free will. PEACE!!!

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GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME -IN LIFE AND DEATH HE WILL TAKE CARE OF US

Hmph..."he's" doing a real lovely job thus far...

The reason is because Jesus said that in the end times people would become more violent,there would be massive problems here on earth leading up to the day God steps in and stops the madness.Jesus did not say life would just get better and better,on the contrary what he said is what we see,giving us a hint that the time is short.He actually said the things we see going on now are just the beginning of harder times for humans.

Why should the violence of free willed people cause one to disbelieve in the existence of God? How can any act no matter how horrendous prove the non-existence of God?

Think about it. It cannot prove anything.

Absolutely. Prayer has never stopped a bullet.

That really sums it up, I think.