Omg I'm An Atheist!

Last weekend I saw my beloved brother for the first time in 2 years. It was so great to see him,even more so as he has a passion and a purpose to him that I've not known in him. He has found his spiritual path and that path is Atheism. By 'spiritual path' I mean that he has discovered his personal truth,that which makes sense of life and existence in general.

During our chatting that meandered around this and that till 4 in the morning I discovered from him that my own personal truth is in line with Atheism. Atheism being defined,I understand,as Not Religeous and Not Believing In a Creator of any type. He explained that Atheism is not about what IS believed but what is NOT.

Well, I certainly do not believe in a Creator-or the dude that may have created the creator,or the dude that may have created him etc etc lol-and my feeling on organised religeon is that Blind Freddy could see that religeon is the number 1 cause of our inability to co-operate as a species. But I will save that rave for another day. For now it is enough to announce to anyone who may hear me..."OMG I'm an Atheist!" (:
rustyfrog rustyfrog
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4 Responses Jan 16, 2013

I have never believed in any God or creator, and do not give myself a name for it. I actually feel offended that others label me as something just because i choose not to participate in the game. If i don't support any team in a given sport , am i given a label for this too ?
They can go right ahead and play their silly games and leave me completely out of it.

If I may, how is a universe from nothing by nothing for nothing more coherent than belief in a Creator?

"From nothing,by nothing,for nothing" is totally coherant! Not necessarily true,but certainly coherant! ;)

Well, if something could actually come from nothing, why doesn't everything or anything? Why aren't dinosaurs, for instance, popping out of thin air, devouring everyone in sight? Why aren't we afraid of elephants suddenly popping into existence in the sky and crushing us as we walked down the street? If nothing can in fact produce something why would it discriminate? In the end, such an argument is nothing more than special pleading.

Since something can't come from nothing, then the natural questions that follow are, “Where did the universe come from 13.70 billion years ago?” and “What caused it to come into existence in the first place?” Whatever this cause is, it must possess certain necessary properties in order for it to be the cause of the physical space-time universe.

Therefore:

(1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
(2) The space-time universe began to exist 13.70 billion years ago.
(3) Therefore, the space-time universe has a cause.

(4) The cause of the universe is a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent good personal being.
(5) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent good personal being is the definition of God.
(6) Therefore, God caused the universe to exist 13.70 billion years ago.


Now, let’s take a closer look at this. First and foremost, this cause must itself be uncaused. Why? Because an infinite regress of causes is impossible; it can’t be turtles all the way down. (Lookup “Hilbert's Grand Hotel” if you're interested in a more in-depth analysis.)

Second, this uncaused cause must transcend space-time because it itself created space-time. It is therefore, spaceless.

Third, since this uncaused cause exists beyond space and time it is must be a non-physical or immaterial cause. Why? Because physical things exist only in space – they have dimensions.

Fourth, this uncaused cause must necessarily also be timeless for the simple fact that it itself doesn't exist in space-time.

Fifth, it must also be changeless. As I'm sure you're well aware, all matter exists in a state of constant flux. This is especially apparent at the atomic level. Since this uncaused cause is immaterial it is not subject to the same forces that affect matter, therefore, it is unchanging.

Sixth, this uncaused cause is obviously unimaginably powerful, if not omnipotent, for it brought matter, energy, space and time into existence completely on its own.

So, to sum up, whatever it is that caused the universe to come into existence 13.70 billion years ago it must be beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging and omnipotent.

But we're not done for there are two more properties of this uncaused cause that we can deduce from what we know of the universe. For this we have to take a closer look at cause and effect. Here's what I mean: if a cause is sufficient to produce it's effect then the effect must also be present. The two are joined at the hip, so to speak. You can't have one without the other.

Let me borrow from an illustration to make this clearer. “Suppose that the cause of water’s freezing is the temperature’s being below 0°C. If the temperature were below 0°C from eternity past, then any water that was around would be frozen from eternity. It would be impossible for the water to just begin to freeze a finite time ago. Once the cause is given, the effect must be given as well.” (http://bit.ly/WQtgZY)

The issue is, if we have in fact a timeless, transcendent cause why isn't the effect permanent as well? In other words, if this timeless, transcendent cause actually caused the universe, why hasn't the universe always been around? How can a cause be eternal but its effect commence a finite time ago? We know the universe is about 13.70 billion years old but we've also deduced that whatever caused the universe must be transcendent and timeless.

The only way this is possible is if this timeless, transcendent, uncaused cause were also a free agent – a being with free will who can act of its own volition. As we all know, free will is the hallmark of personhood.

Last but not least, this beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent being must also be unimaginably good. Why? Suppose we concede for the sake of argument that he’s evil. Since this being is evil, that implies he fails to discharge his moral obligations. But where do those come from? How can this evil being have duties to perform which he is violating? Who forbids him to do the wrong things that he does? Immediately, we see that such an evil being cannot be supreme: there must be a being who is even higher than this evil being and is the source of the moral obligations which he chooses to shirk, a being which is absolute goodness himself. As such, there must necessarily exist a supreme being who is all powerful, all good and all loving; One who is the very paradigm of good.

So here we arrive at this uncaused cause of the universe 13.70 billion years ago that is beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being who is all good and all loving.

This is the very definition - of God :)

I was an Atheist for 8 years, but now I'm more open to the idea of God, and soon I hope to embrace Islam. We all have our own path in life we must follow, and if you have chosen this one for you, I respect that. In fact power to you, if it makes more sense to you. I hope you find wisdom and happiness in life, and if you already have, well good :)

If I didn't know what I was getting into I would agree with you. Anything can be dangerous, even Atheism. Joseph Stalin killed millions of Christians, and forced Atheism on his people. I believe there is good and bad in everything. You also have to keep in mind there are 73 sects (divisions) within Islam, it's very diverse, and the dangerous sects are actually a minority. Just like in Christianity, the KKK or Westboro don't make up the majority of Christians.

If it were sexist I would oppose it (being a woman and all), if it were racist I wouldn't embrace it (being a minority and all), and it's not homophobic it just states facts about homosexuals. They fornicate mostly for pleasure, which is true, because they can't biologically reproduce. But nowhere does it say kill or hurt them. The Qu'ran encourages the rich to give to the poor, loans with no interest, help to the orphan, freedom to the slave, brotherhood, and for the woman right to inheritance, divorce, money, and equality in leadership roles, and work. This is shown in history as well, Prophet Mohammad's first wife was 15 years older than him, she was a business woman, gave him a job, and she was the one who proposed to him. They were in a monogamous marriage for 25 years until she died, later he remarried, and when his people were in war, he sent his wife to lead an army of his men in battle. The prohibition of women as leaders and workers in Islam was brought by outside sources and traditions, not the Qu'ran. Americans have the nerve to say Islam oppresses, when they have their own women in bikinis to sell cars, their p o r n industry is worth billions, the government is setup to protect large corporations/banks instead of the people, and just about a century ago women weren't allowed to vote, work, or get an education. Minorities were viewed as inferior, and segregation was perfectly legal. The Bible has been corrupted and everybody knows it. Different authors, of different times, incorporated their ideas into it. While the Qu'ran has been memorized and preserved in it's original text since the time of the Prophet. But hey, I'm not trying to convert you, just trying to clear common misconceptions of Islam. I follow the Qu'ran's teachings, as I have read the entire book myself, I also study the history behind it. That's why I said, I wouldn't jump into anything I didn't personally know about.

Welcome to the club!

Thanks Lazarus12! :)