So generally - you guys ( atheist) don't have a fixed code of description? meaning one code of conduct , one definition of who you are as a person? beliefs? just as how a christian have 10 commandments to live up to - christ as master , etc -are atheist, people in society who are just simply non believers of god existence due to problems in this world and he can't show him self? and say well I am an atheist now, I am a human just to make a good difference? , and if not from god I am a by product of the big bang theory? do atheist consider them selves A GOD or the replacement of god ? or greater than the story of god told in the books ? do you consider the stories , or all stories of god a myth?
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It is all I wanted them to do is stop talking about people.

After I saw Frostflower make fun of my learning disability then I wanted to bully her so bad because she was hurting my feelings. Posting my url up to poke fun at me. Jeditrunk and xstarlight thought it was fun to poke at me so they copied and pasted what put on there to mock me. Please grow up. God bless you. Thank you. Seeya. I am done with this drama.

It seems like you all have no lives because you are constantly online. Go enjoy your life without the Internet. Constantly being online you are missing out on life. I pray for you all. God bless you. Enjoy the day. Talk to you later.

I stopped believing in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the all powerful trinity when I was very young. All are myths.

(I won't presume to speak for everyone, but)
Many Atheists recognize and acknowledge the need for law, order, peace.
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From a biological and survivalist standpoint, we are a herd species. We survive and thrive because of both safety in numbers and because working together as a team creates faster progress. We are kind to and take care of our neighbors, other members of our herd, because helping them strengthens the herd and increases our own safety and security.
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We do not need promise of heaven, nor threat of hell, to behave in an ethical manner.

Ummmm no. Being atheist doesnt put us under one form of an umbrella. We decide to become atheists for different reasons because we are individuals and unique. There is no code of conduct. We'd like to move away from all of that junk.

For me god doesnt exist because there is no proof that he ever did. If i am wrong i'll deal with it if the time comes, but the concept of god makes no sense.

If we dont believe in god why in the hell would we decide that we magically are one?

Some claims in the bible are true coming from a factual historic stand point the rest is just gibberish.

By asking if you are a god , means if you consider being the like force all on your own - the part of no code of conduct , means to me - you can do what you want , how you want , how you feel to do it too, and as you very well please - we call that own way over here or wayward - if it is so , then there is a very big loop hole being an atheist , and should the person with the wrong personal agenda have this as his or her foundation - no god to respect -- then it's very dangerous in the minds of unsuspecting individuals - but I get the part where you be as you please , you feel more freedom of mind - maybe , it works well , but for the reason ? Not sue if it is worth
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Meant life force

Why do you feel that people need a magical entity to control them? As another member of this group said: "If you can't tell right from wrong, you don't lack religion... you lack empathy"

If people stop talking about people then I will leave them alone

Thank you for taking those posts about me in I Am An Atheist room.

The definition of atheism is this: a rejection of the belief in gods.
It doesn't matter why one doesn't believe in God, as a lack of faith is the only requirement.
The rest of what I'm about to say is my personal view. Being human, I have to live up to my pre-programmed instincts, which are my core of moral conduct. It basically instructs the same thing as the "Golden Rule": don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you. I don't want to die by another person's hand, so I don't kill people. I don't want my property stolen, so I don't steal. I don't want my sexual integrity being taken without my consent, so I don't rape others (the Bible doesn't seem to mind rape, by the way). The beautiful part is, all of this is done subconsciously in my mind. I don't have to think about how I don't want to kill people; I simply find the act repulsive.
On the matter of why I don't believe in any deity, the answer is simple: there is no evidence for them. My view of reality is based on evidence. This is also subconscious in my case, incidentally. I found, after a certain age, that my tolerance for lies dropped and my desire to seek truth sky-rocketed. Being told that the only way to believe in God was to... believe in God wasn't really working for me. I liked the proof in the pudding. Testable theories and the unification of history, biology, and the universe through science was my path of love, and beings like fairies, Santa, and God, just didn't stack up to the qualifications.
And lastly, yes, all stories about gods and other supernatural beings are myth, and there's no reason to believe I am a god because, again, gods aren't real.

What a load of absolute rubbish!

Rubbish is something you dispose off - we will see

So to close off this - there are 3 categories for me so far as to where god is concerned - Atheism ( deity or supreme being is non existent ) Fanatics ( those who use the name and say the name christ , god etc as a shield to justify , hide , cover up their society out look , but really can't or is not willing to live the life as stated in the books or make them selves as a living example of the rules) Spiritual/ religious ( those who try to use sense towards life , towards people , live up to the rules as best possible , cause due to code of conduct , determines if we carry our selves good or bad towards others in society - there are or may be super natural experiences ( well I can only say for me so far) and there is the love, humility , removal of bad ego , anger , lust , greed, worldly attachment - now i a guy who does spiritual readings as telling things of your future and things at present , of people , events , etc without you saying a word - so how does he knows these things? they come to pass on a 85% rate i can vouch for my self - i dream of the future , it has a 80 % pass rate - i dream of people if i set my mind to them , i see what their intentions are ( well i used it for relationships ) 85% pass rate - it turned out the way i dreamt it - how am i able to do that? well I cant say all right now - when i do up a next post .

Ok i get you all to an extent - each atheist may have his/ her own perception and variation of being an individual in life , structure what your ways towards others will be - sort your own code of conduct and how you see fit based on common sense - ( empathy)? you are maker and master of your destiny by how you go about life, choices you make with no deity being the support or causing blessing if you gain material gains etc . As some one noted he can't speak for all atheist , so which means, it up to every one to have their own perception living life without a god value in it . As some one else stated , common sense will tell you the ten commandments are a natural thing to know by all - well truly not everybody want's to know or knows these things by their moral structure - like cheating , hating one anothner , etc - and as well one person said religious people may be hypocrytes - well I call them fanatics - they don't live up to the rules as to put it - they call out oh lorrrrdddddddddd, etc - but does not maintain the true teaching it self by being it as a person and in ways, but I get a better idea of you guys now :)

First, i can't (and won't pretend to) speak for all atheists, but i don't define myself in terms of not having something, so in that regard not having gods isn't something on which i base my behaviour or how i live my life.
i find it unsatisfactory to rely on a prescriptive and arbitrary list of 'commandments' which, when you remove the six or so that instruct me to make the gods happy (gods i don't have), leave me with 'don't lie, steal, cheat, or murder'.
Frankly, i had that much pretty well worked out by the time i left kindergarten.
"do you consider the stories , or all stories of god a myth?"
As i have often said (my fellow group members are groaning):
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. gods are unnecessary, and they explain nothing (they merely explain everything away)
4. therefore i have no gods
You might note that this means don't consider myself to be a goddess, nor a replacement for the gods

You say "1 there's no proof that gods exist and 2 - there's no proof that gods don't exist" - so the only proof we have(if you are not going to go by the Bible) - is life, which man is no scholar of when you think about it, for there are so many lifeforms left undiscovered and so many known to man that haven't begun to be understood in full.

So that being the case how can man be the authority in saying whether or not God exists? Yes man knows life exists, we all see that, but where exactly did it come from.

You can say the Big Bang- but what caused the Big Bang? Or what caused the many different chain reactions that resulted in all the life we see today and experience? That can be questioned all day long- it has to end somewhere. Wouldn't you agree?

Hello Neya
"so the only proof we have(if you are not going to go by the Bible) - is life"
Life isn't a proof, Neya... it's one of the phenomena we're seeing to understand.
The bible is proof of nothing, and merely claims that it is evidence of something because it says it is evidence of something... the only thing supporting the bible's claims are the claims made in the bible.
"how can man be the authority in saying whether or not God exists?"
You will notice that i'm not saying whether or not the gods exist.
"life exists, we all see that, but where exactly did it come from"
That's a question which is under constant investigation, and there are several good and credible ideas being explored. Simply saying 'the gods did it' avoids both investigation and exploration. It means 'we don't know, we're quite happy about not knowing... now stop asking questions'.
When a young child asks 'why do the leaves fall off the trees sometimes?' we can either answer with 'It's what happens in Autumn' (which is an example of what i mean by 'explaining it away'), or we can answer with 'Good question... let's go down to the library and see if we can find some answers'.
The first response stops the child from asking any more questions, while the second response leads to even more questions.
it's your choice as to which of those responses satisfies you.

As a footnote… the Big Bang refers to the beginning of the expansion of the universe. It isn’t the origin of the universe, or the origin of life… it’s the origin of the universe’s expansion.
The question that then arises is… where did the universe come from? There are many interesting ideas about that, and we’re still exploring the question. It’s probable that my generation won’t live to see an answer, but your might. What is certain is that if we don’t keep exploring the question, no generation will ever see an answer.
It’s not good enough to explain away the universe by saying ‘the gods did it’, because then we can ask ‘where did the gods come from’... which is commonly explained away with ‘the gods have always existed’. Well, if it’s OK to say that the gods have always existed, then it’s just as OK to say that the universe has always existed… and this has the advantage of removing the unnecessary complication of conjuring up gods (of course, neither claim is useful... so let's keep exploring the question)

Can we look at a computer, a car, a house, etc and say it just came about by accident? No we logically conclude that someone made it, someone with an intelligent mind that can come up with a design and execute in such a way that it can be useful.

Like wise the existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator. The Bible says: “Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4) Although this logic is simple, many well-educated people find it to be powerful.

For example, the late astronomer Allan Sandage once said regarding the universe: “I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery, but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”

Would agree that life in all it's forms reflects a pattern or a sense of order and direction? For instance the sun is positioned perfectly from the sun. If it was any closer life would cease to exist. Everything is so strategically put in place.

We find the idea that God has always existed difficult to grasp because our limited life span gives us a completely different concept of time from that of God. Because God is eternal, to him a thousand years are like a day. (2 Peter 3:8)

To illustrate: Could a grasshopper, which lives as an adult for only about 50 days, fathom our life span of 70 or 80 years? Hardly! Yet, the Bible explains that we are like grasshoppers in comparison with God.Even our ability to reason is dwarfed by his. (Isaiah 40:22; 55:8, 9) So it is not surprising that there are aspects of God nature that escape full human understanding.

Although the concept of an eternal God may be hard to grasp, we can see that it makes sense. If someone else had created God, that person would be the Creator. Yet, as the Bible explains, The God of the Bible( whose name is Jehovah) is the one who “created all things.” (Revelation 4:11)

Furthermore, we know that the universe at one time did not exist. (Genesis 1:1, 2) Its Creator had to exist first. He also existed before there were any other intelligent beings. Clearly, then, he existed alone first. He could not have been created; nothing was in existence that could have created him.

Our own existence and that of the entire universe testifies to the existence of an eternal God. The One who put our vast universe in motion, the One who established the laws to control it, must have always existed. Only he could have breathed life into everything else.—Job 33:4.

It disappoints me that i take the time and trouble to offer you personally-considered, original comments... and you respond with copy-pasted sophistry.

You share what you believe I just shared what believe. You don't accept or understand it that's fine with me :)

I hope you find the answers one day

Are you under the misapprehension that i was sharing some form of beliefs with you, Neya?
Then feel free to question me about those beliefs... which beliefs would you like to start with?
When i have time later today, i'll address what you have copy-pasted here

Yes what I wrote was a combination of me and some information that I thought was applicable to the discussion. And yes you obviously don't believe in God but you seem to believe in or lean towards accepting(or just exploring)other ideas.

I'm simply asking if you can agree that in life there is order, because I think from that point one can reason on the existence of a creator.

Order is a necessary, but insufficient, characteristic of life... on its own, it's not enough (there is order in the arrangement of molecules in a snowflake... would you describe a snowflake as being alive?).
If order is a necessary characteristic of life, then the statements:
1. there is life
2. that life has order
3. therefore there is a creator
can be reduced to
1. there is life
2. therefore there is a creator
and i'd be interested to see how reasoning can be used to get from (1) to (2)

(and remember, you'll still have to explain where this proposed creator came from)

He has always existed. I would expect this to be the case since he created all things, ALL LIFE.

Man can only create from what already exists. Man can't even fully understand one life form let alone recreate it, and even if they could it would only prove that it had to have been created by an intelligent mind.

If humans created a life form (i'm not sure what that means), it would show that that particular life form had been created by an intelligent mind. It would not in any way mean that other life had to be created by an intelligent mind.

"He has always existed"
If it's valid to claim this, then it's equally valid to claim that the universe has always existed... and this has the benefit of removing the unnecessary complication of magical entities

Order IS essential to life, it is by no means an "insufficient characteristic of life", for without it we would die, A snow flake is frozen water. Water is essential to life. Water also happens to be made up in such a way that our bodies can ingest it and therefore benefit from it.

If the earth were closer to the sun we would burn up, if it was further away we would freeze. Is order not important?

Everything thing on this earth has a design, has order, and serves specific purposes. How could there not be intelligent mind behind such brilliance?

Naya, if you're going to quote me, please do so with accuracy. What i said was "Order is a necessary, but insufficient, characteristic of life... on its own, it's not enough". This means that life, as we see it here, requires order, but that order on its own is not enough for life to arise.
Water isn't the way it is so that our bodies can utilise it... our bodies utilise it because it was available and was a helpful part of he process by which life arose (a silicon-based life form wouldn't require water).
If the Earth were closer to the Sun, or more distant, life as we see it wouldn't be here. Some other form of life, or none at all, might be here. Life as we see it is here, and the way it is, because of happenstance.
You're looking at what you can see and assuming that it had to be designed... but you're forgetting that the framework that resulted in what you see is no longer visible. These things aren't 'designed'... they're what's left over after sex and death have done their work (and they continue to do their work). You don't see the things that didn't fit... because they died. Nature doesn't hold on to obsolete designs... nature dismantles them and eradicates them (although we have now quite a few of them stored in museums and universities).
After all, what you see today didn't just arrive whole and complete overnight.

So are you saying that the framework of water has changed?

And exactly what designs do you speak of as being obsolete?

And I'm not saying that life arose from order I'm saying that yes you can have force and material but without order it cannot function.

Scientific research is only possible because the physical world is orderly and because energy and matter behave in a predictable, uniform manner in a given set of circumstances.

This order can be expressed in the fundamental laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry, and so on. Without such order, scientific work, technology, and life itself could simply not exist.

So If life did not have such order scientists would even be able to try to figure out where it originated.

By the way my name is Naomi, Neya is just my screen name.

"...are you saying that the framework of water has changed?"
i do not know what you mean by that question
"...what designs do you speak of as being obsolete?"
Every extinct species (which is around 99.9% of all species that have ever existed). If the fit between a species and its environment no longer suffices, that species is subject to extinction. There is no appeal, and sentence is immediate.
"...you can have force and material"
What do you mean by 'force'?
"Scientific research is only possible because the physical world is orderly..."
and neither that order, nor that particular order, had to be. It's obvious that this particular universe has characteristics that allow the development of life, because we can see that life. Had it not had those characteristics, it would either not have life, or hold some other way of being alive.
The same applies to the location of our 'little blue dot'. If it were not where it is, and in a universe that affords what we call life, then it would never have happened... and something else would have happened, or nothing would have happened.
The error in perception that makes people think that something had to be seems to arise from using hindsight. They look at what they have, and they say 'how could this have arisen by chance'... look at all the things that had to happen to bring about this particular state. They forget that, at the time those things happened, many others could have happened. because those alternatives did not happen, they assume that what happened had to happen in order to achieve the present outcome... but the present outcome was never any sort of 'goal' or 'desired state'.

What alternatives do you speak of?

My focus is on using the Bible and evidence to support what the Bible states. If you do not want to hear it that's ok. I hope you find the answers to your scientific questions about the purpose of our existence. www.jw.org

If you are looking for evidence to support something... you will always find it. That's why science seeks to falsify its theories, and never tries to prove them.
i have no scientific questions about the purpose of our existence... not least because the questions would presuppose a purpose.

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I hate how people think atheist have no morals.
I think christians have less moral if the need to be told the 10 commandments like a pre schooler.

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i call them fanatics - not true in heart to the whole religious thing or teaching.

ok i understand you guys to an extent - there is no fixed code for being an atheist , except for the dis belief of god or creator ( deity ) higher power - but you guys will be hard to describe generally on ways - cause each individual varies with the non god beliefs - ammm - I need a rag to wipe my brows lol - too much possible variations for a being an atheist.

Its kind of pathetic what your saying.
Lets just say were not sheep in a herd like religion.

you see it how you describe religion in the first place , then it divides this whole thing - your theory or description on religion would be?

Sigh... If you cant realize there is no god or deity, well i guess your on your own. I have explained myself about religion way to many times

lol ok , thanks for the help :)

ok good term.

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No, atheist don't consider themselves gods. A god is a supernatural creator. Humans are not supernatural. No, atheists don't share a common code of conduct. The ONLY thing all atheists have in common is the lack of belief in a deity. Atheists are not what they are just because they can't see god or because life isn't perfect. There are many factors that contribute to the lack of belief, and they differ from person to person. Not all atheists believe the Big Bang happened and not all atheists have the same beliefs concerning a purpose in life. I consider all stories of god(s) myths. I can't speak for any other atheist.

We do not need to be herded like cattle. We have brains and we aren't afraid to use it. We need no god or gods. Freedom. Accept no substitute.