Just Some Questions
Posted October 26th, 2009 at 12:55PM
Hi Everybody!!
So a few days ago in one of Homelyday's stories I started asking some questions but I have a few more so I thought I'd make my own post rather then taking HD's story away. I think the big question I asked in that story was if y'all believe in souls or not which looking back is kind of a dumb question but whatever I asked anyway. Hopefully these questions won't be as stupid.
Do you guys celebrate christmas? I mean not in the whole biblical happy birthday jesus way, but the whole gift giving, i love you kind of way. Cuz obviously Jesus is out, and it would be hypocritical to do Santa too but I figured y'all would still do the whole "gift exchange because i love you" part. Christmas becomes less and less about jesus every year so I thought maybe this one would be celebrated. I wont even ask about easter cuz that's just a stupid holiday although if you look at it from a religious standpoint it should be way more important then christmas, funny how that works out. Doesn't Santa count as a false idol anyway?
What do y'all think about Buddhism? It's not so much a religion and more of a journey. They don't pray, they don't have a God, their goal is to find peace within themselves. They also don't try to convert anyone!
What do y'all think of scientology...?
What do y'all think is going to happen in 2012? I've read predictions on the religious front and the scientific front so I just wanted to ask.
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Hrm. I'm an atheist... its weird. I suppose i really don't believe in souls... If we're talking the floaty ghosty thing.
And yes, i celebrate Christmas, but only because i was raised to celebrate it. My mother is a believer. But in my home its more for family and kind of a tradition. We like to be together and give gifts.
I don't know anything about Buddhism, but it sounds cool! And Scientologists aren't any crazier than the folks that believe in talking snakes and virgin births. -
hahhahah, those crazy religious folk. i guess talking snakes and virgin births are right up there with alien souls and j ron hubbard. But i figured some atheists would do Christmas, the family and gift giving part because thats the good part about it. just getting together and showing some love.
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And hey- isnt that what Christmas is all about? -wait. dont answer that.
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No I don't believe in souls, whatever they are. In my experience most people start mumbling vague contradictions when asked directly what they mean by soul.
I grew up celebrating Christmas though my parents never really emphasized the wacky religious component. They do however observe it as a celebration of Jesus' birth. Today I see it as a wonderful opportunity to spend time with family and exchange gifts. Nothing wrong with that.
Admittedly I don't know much about Buddhism but I'm always wary of anyone who tells me they know the "truth" and that there are certain rules and a path I must follow to find "enlightenment" and happiness. Smells like BS to me but it seems relatively harmless and it encourages people to play nice (I can play nice all on my own thank you very much!). So if that's' your cup of tea then by all means, I truly respect a person's right to believe in whatever they want, regardless of how ludicrous it might be...That being said I want to point out that I detest its belief in karma and rebirth. Buddhist basically believe you accumulate positive or negative karma through out your life based on certain rules someone made up. Then, when you come back to Earth, your position in society (if you even get to be human) will be determined by your past life. In other words, if your **** poor, handicapped, and miserable you probably deserve it and no one should pity you. If your rich and powerful, you obviously earned it. Rather convenient for those in power don't you think? This or course justified and reinforced the social caste system seen in many Buddhist countries through out history and even today (Ahem! India im looking at you). If this isn't evil I don't know what is, I encourage you to look into it.
As for scientology and the end of the world, it isn't even worth my time discussing such stupidity.
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odie-exactly, all about the the giving.
Windup-lol its ok everyone believes in santa at one point in their lives.
Inspiration: A soul is a tricky concept, it can be just a stand in for the word personality or it goes as far as the trippy ghost like life force that powers us all. I believe in Karma to the point of good deeds vs bad but the reincarnation thing is way out there. But if you look at it that way they earn the riches and the power for one lifetime because they turn into a ******* with all that power and then come back a sea slug or something. Plus a lot of real buddhists give up everything and move to a monestary.
lolz scientology.
however the end of the world is even kind of defended by science. According to the sources i've read we're supposed to be crossing a certain point in our galaxy that causes our magnetic poles to shift. not sure what thats going to do but whatever. -
I celebrate Christmas as I get a day off, get together with the family and engage in all the normal rituals. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't like rituals and celebrations. A time to remove yourself from the normal routine and concentrate on family, food, wine and good times.
The scenes of bethlehem, the sheep surrounding the manger etc have a comforting factor to me - to me they symbolise family, love, nurturing etc. I try and take what I can from the Jesus story, but I don't have to believe he was a supernatural being to do this. It's not really that important whether he existed at all. -
and see if more people took it to that same extent I bet the world would be better off Golden. I'm a believer in God and I still don't think the Jesus story should be taken literally. But you're right you don't have to believe to want to celebrate it.
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Oh, and Souls?
Well, I think "believe in" would be too strong a word. I'm pretty vague in my thinking about what a soul is.
I certainly don't think anything lives on when we die. Unless you can count that we live on in the memories and thoughts of others, but of course eventually we are totally forgotten.
I might use the word "soul" to describe a deep sense of identity but I don't think this is what you mean - you probably mean a definate entity that has existence when we die, or before we were born. If that's the case then no, I don't believe in souls. -
I don't really mean anything by it, I just want to know your opinion. A soul can be anything really. I personally believe that it is the part of our make that determines our personality. It's that random gene that just doesn't adhere to Gregor Mendel's work. It's random and ever changing.
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IWish, I think what your referring to with respect to the end of the world goes something like this. On December 21st, 2012, the Earth, Sun and the center of the galaxy will come into perfect alignment. This, doomsayers predict, will cause some excess gravity that will bump us off our orbit.
As it turns out, if you look at the star charts, its true. The sun earth and center of the galaxy do come into alignment on Dec 21. 2012. What doomsayers don't tell you is that this happens EVERY year on Dec. 21... Most of these theories were created by people who didn't take enough science in school. Trust me... the world won't end 2012. -
IWish... what do you mean by "that random gene that just doesn't adhere to Gregor Mendel's work"?! I have never heard of this. Is there proof of it, or is it just something you made up?
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the world will end for millions on 12/21/12 as will it end for millions on 12/22,23,24 and so on, it's called death, no big deal.
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Inspiration, I sure didn't know that it happens every year, oh well there goes that excitement haha
Godfree, good point!
Homelyday. Something I made up I guess, just some weird thing that causes parents and children to be nothing alike sometimes. I'm just wondering how many different genes makeup our personality. -
A lot of genes are invovled. Also there are regulatory genes so even if you have the same base pair combinations in your genome there are geens that regualte the activity of other genes so the proteins and thus the hormones that are produced and casue the emotions we see as personality are influenced in very subtle ways. The permutations of thes effects are so numerous they are vitually impossible to predict, hence phenotypic plasticity and evolution.
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i didnt read the comments, i'm just commenting directly on the story. as for the soul thing, yah, most atheists like myself do not believe we have them. christmas is celebrated by some atheists but not all. i celebrate it for the simple fact that i have 3 kids. it would not be right to deny them such a fun day full of gifts and family based on my lack of religion. we dont celebrate the birth of christ though, we dont even mention him. its the day that santa brings gifts to all the kids who've been good throughout the year. of course my kids are well aware there is no santa, hes more symbolic. i guess our christmas is more like a giftmas. as for easter, i agree it should be way more important than christmas from a religious stand point. my kids and i celebrate easter as the day the easter bunny hides eggs full of candy. there is literally no point to it. and my kids are aware there is no easter bunny as well since they know i hide the eggs. i choose to recognize these 'normal' holidays because i dont want my kids to choose a religion (if they choose to) simply because of fun associated with these days. my kids look at them as a routine day set aside for family merriment....nothing wrong with that :)
as for buddhism, though i choose no religion, this is certainly one i can respect. as you stated, they dont try to convert nor do they boast a sense of superiority, unlike other religions. their faith is simple and based on self awareness.
scientology is the dumbest **** ever.....no more needs to be said about that.
as for 2012, theres a group on here about it. i posted a couple stories. one even has a map, you should go check it out ;) -
I celebrate Xmas cos it's being a date on which celebrations have been held long before Christ showed up. I guess i'm just a traditionalist. Same thing for Easter, previous ceremonies adopted by the Church and now we get a day off work. I now want all the other religious beliefs to have official days off work and i'll celebrate all of them.
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oh yeah and xmas sex is better than birthday sex.
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Stevester:
Well damn that's a lot. But I guess it would have to be a lot of different things to make us unique. Maybe it has to do with the gene that gives us our thumb print. And the celebration part just makes me think of chrismahanakwanzika.
Anti: Yeah that all makes sense, I wouldn't want my kids (if I had any) doing the same thing but either way depending on what they believe christmas and easter are still good family holidays to celebrate. Also could you give me a link to your 2012 stories? I went like 2 pages deep in your stories and didn't run into them.
LOLZ Inspriation. -
okay heres the links,
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/...
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/...
happy reading :)
after further research (by others) i no longer think much will occur on this day -
Ah, IWish, always a pleasure. Without beating around the bush:
Xmas - Yes I do partake in it, but I don't celebrate it. As others have said, I appreciate the time off work. You don't need to believe in virgin births to do that.
Buddhism - Read around and find out more. Yes, it's certainly less aggressive than Christianity, but those of us in the Western world may not appreciate whether or not it is indeed 'forced' upon others locally as it is done here.
There are different aspects of Buddhism, so I summarise cautiously, but there are indeed deity-like figures. And reincarnation. And souls. And 'penalties' for not living in the prescribed way. And, therefore, control.
Scientology - It's a cult. If you have to pay to get in, if they don't tell you what it involves until you get in, if insiders are forbidden to reveal its secrets to outsiders, it's a cult.
2012 - I can tell you exactly what's happening in 2012 - the London Olympics. On behalf of all of us, may I take this opportunity to apologise for the public transport. -
MG! I was wondering when you were going to show up.
so again Xmas, who said you needed to believe in the birth of a tiny man-god-later-turns-zombie to want to show your family and friends some love. Besides its more about presents and St Nick anyway these days.
Buddhism- you know I don't like to dive too far into any belief structure that's not my own so I guess Buddhism is a great philosophy to pick and choose from because it does have a lot of great things to offer. And the deities and reincarnation you mentioned aren't believed by all practices of Buddhism. It turns out Buddhism is branched out like Christianity is into separate practices.
Scientology- Created by a science-fiction writer who once wrote a book called "how to start a cult". If I were ever to condone religious oppression it would probably be pointed towards them...
2012-I'm kind of hoping for some sort of big thing to happen, it'll be great. Although if nothing happens I'm sure there will be a few more Atheists out there. Although it would be cool to go up for the olympics, I didn't realize till right now that you were from London, very cool -
I like your description of the 'man-god-turned-zombie' ... it reminds me of a t-shirt I saw once, which said: "He died for your sins ... he came back for your brains!"
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rock, you said "Everyone wants to be immortal and live forever" I think you nailed it.
All religions, from the most benign to the most intrusive share one thing in common, a dread fear of death.
Eat Jesus and you live forever, the real you never dies you just change bodies, live a good life and you get an easy death, you become one with the godhead. These are just some of the attempts by various religions to quell the fear. Where philosophy's, Taoist, Confucianism and the like just advise you how to live. -
On the subject of living forever, and to paraphrase a source whose name I've forgotten, why dream of immortality when we don't know what to do with ourselves on a wet Sunday afternoon?
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Anti: i forgot to mention this earlier, great articles in the 2012 spot, its a nice summary of the stuff thats floating on the net.
MG: I want that shirt too, I can't find it though. And that's a good quote and very true, I don't even know what to do for the next hour and will probably spend it messing around. Besides immortality sucks ***, what if you become a vegetable or something? Or paralyzed from the waist down, you'll be like that forever.
Rock: I think the be good around christmas thing only really applies to kids. I know I suddenly turned into an angel when november turned around, I planned ahead lol.And I really think Buddhism is just a very interesting way to look at the world, and while its possible to achieve these things without adhering to a religion it is sometimes helpful to have an instruction manual to reference.
Rock/GodFree: I don't think that it's true immortality that people are after, I think its really just a fear of being forgotten. Or maybe it is real immortality who knows. every religion has a "live forever" clause in it. But I know I just want to be remembered -
IWish, funnily enough I'm having another conversation elsewhere which touches on this one; the common concept is genes.
Dawkins proposed the Selfish Gene theory in his book of the same name back in the 70's, and it has held weight. Essentially the gene becomes the basic unit of evolution, and the evolutionary aim of reproduction is not to create more creatures, but to perpetuate the gene.
Therefore genes, in a way, 'live forever'. According to natural selection, a successful gene will enable successive generations to pass copies of itself through the ages.
So when we talk about 'living forever', it's already happening! Some of the genes in your body are copies of genes that existed hundreds of millions of years ago. Go the gene! -
that's pretty interesting, but is it still the same exact gene or a variant of the gene? It would be interesting, although hard to believe, that any single gene would have lasted this long without any variation at all.
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Good question. If a gene survives in a descendant it is an exact copy of the same gene in the parent. If that gene only exists in one of the parents, it has a 50% chance of surviving. The tighter the gene pool, the more likely a particular gene is to be present in both parents, in which case it has a 100% chance of surviving.
We can trace the lifespan of a gene by identifying it in other species. Humans share certain genes not just with other mammals but also reptiles, birds, even insects. Evolutionarily we are talking tens if not hundeds of millions of years! -
Well then it would make it just more and more combinations that give us variation rather then mutation. However that tight pool just makes me want to make an ****** joke but whatever.
And yeah it is very interesting how many other lifeforms on the planet we share genes with, aren't we like 2 genes off from a lobster? -
Biologically we certainly are indulging in some kind of ******. You share well over 99% of your genes with all other humans (as a point of interest you also share 98% with chimps, 95% with mice, 45% with yeast and 2% with all cellular life. Go on, shag some yeast!).
If memory serves me correct, there are over 25,000 genes in a human, so even when a child is 'varied' by the mating of its parents, it's not by much, bearing in mind that far less than 1% of those genes will be unique to each parent.
Anyway, I don't want to hijack the story - everyone else, please do post answers to IWish's questions in the meantime!
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