Let Me Set Things Straight Why Humans Are Not Angels

I enjoyed your THEORY and the story ... parts I agree with ; parts I don't .... however it was very interesting ....
There is NO way that you can call what you write as FACT unless your were there and you weren't ... so all you have is theory .... still makes for a somewhat interesting story ...

Angels, as a species, are certainly spirits. There are people here, on this earth, that are human-angels, as in they were angels in past lives. It is stated in the Bible that angels can take on human forms, so by your logic it is possible. Granted, incarnated angels are essentially human, but that is the whole point.

Also, in my experience, angels can have 'physical' relationships (basically a physical relationship on the spiritual plane, like with energy exchanges and the like). You are correct in saying that they do not form families though.

Having worked with the arch angelic realm for quite a long time, I must say I am in agreement with Kohen on many points. Barring any Biblical references, I can say from direct experience that the AA's can and do have very human qualities at times which do not match the frilly representations of popular authors etc. Remember that angel means messenger; it is a _ title_. It does not imply 'better than' or 'above' humans.
AA's are both lovely and terrible at times and they will work with you based on your belief system, so be careful about what you believe.

I personally feel that what we call 'earth angels' are those with a particular purity of being that we liken to being 'angelic.' Re: the book of Enoch, perhaps earth angels are descendants of the watchers. One should be careful not to imply negative connotation re: descendants of any one or any thing. If so-called earth angels descended from the watchers as offspring they are innocent and their being should remain free from the labeling of religious zealots. Anyone recall the Inquisition?

Nite mist, we don't tell children that it was 'probably a demon or something'...where is kindness, nite mist?

There is certainly truth in religious writings, but you also have to see that in the Bible it does talk about angels reincarnating or taking on human forms. There are several verses about angels appearing in human form, like to battle Jacob (I believe that is it)--so, if the Bible is 100% accurate, then angels can take on human forms. There is nothing to say that angels cannot reincarnate in human forms for a brief period. Incarnated angels do exist.

Blessing,
Anna

I think that there is alot of truth to the old religious writings like the bible but the minute it was rewritten it was changed to account for the times and the writers sense of the world and how it should be and perhaps what the writer thought the author really meant. The changes make it that bit more difficult to gleam the real meanings but they are there.

Ahem. You poor dear souls arguing over religion and religious texts so on and so forth and about the existence of angelic beings stop being so nonsensical. First and foremost I shall be the logical voice of reason here as an ordained interfaith minister and remind you that all religious texts are rather sadly misinterpreted and overtly rewritten variants of man. They were originally word of mouth long before even being written down. Once they were written down the stories had changed so many times by the ones telling them generation after generation that by the time they were written down inconsistencies already existed. Furthermore, when the writers began writing them down if they did not have all the information they needed, they did a little literary device know as ad lib to fill in the blanks to make sense of the "gaps" in the stories they could not make sense of otherwise. This worsened still after the scrolls were found faded, torn, so on and so forth. So we got more additions. This is why there are so many inconsistencies and contradictions in many of the religious texts. Then you get to the middle ages where they try to interpret the Hebrew and the Greek and Aramaic and do a rather poor job at it. Not to mention they omit books and phrases that they do not think fit the times. These are the Judeo-Christian Bibles. The Torah and the Q'uran were very much the same. Also, if you further delve into the matter you will find out that there are hints of ancient Roman, Egyptian and other so called paganistic religions blended and merged into the other religious texts and even into the ceremonies practiced by certain religions of today. Oh like Easter...Christmas. I could go on and on, but I won't. What I do know, is that there are some consistencies across the board in regards to both angelic beings and darker beings across almost all religious ideologies. I also know that angels have been described in the various texts over time as taking various forms. Also Kohen since you are so bent on following the Christian texts then you would know that indeed they can reproduce if they take human form because if you look in the book of Enoch and in the book of Jubilees it talks about how the Nephilim came about where the Watcher angels mated with human females. However, this was rather a condemnation and very much a no no in the laws governing interactions between angels and human kind. All across history though you hear of stories of angelic encounters. Same is true for the opposite and demonic encounters. Such is how the Universe works. There must be a balance of light and dark. The two have always co-existed. So stop the silly and petty arguing over religious texts, simply open your mind to the possibilities based on the knowledge of history and data over time. People have encounters with the unexplained therefore do not discount them with the closed mind of one sided religious thinkings. Indeed if you were truly following the teachings of Christ, you would be more open and accepting, loving and caring regardless, and realize that you do not need to attend a church, pay tithes, confess to a priest, condemn and judge, would not need books and religious texts so on and so forth to be closer to your Creator. That is what Jesus tried to teach everyone during his time. Basically it did not matter who you were, what your background was, what you believed, you could still be close to the Creator. That is all I have to say on this matter.

I am 13 years old and you probably think I'm just a kid making something up when I say I am an angel. This is true. I really don't think its fair with you going around saying I'm not real. Its like walking up to a brunette and saying "Your hair is not brown". Its who I am. God told me that this was me. I actually cried when I read your story. I honestly can't believe you would say this on an advice website, when I'm trying to figure out who other earth angels are. All I want you to know is I am kind of upset that this is how the world views me. );

let me set you strait now.
1: God only created angels in Christian mythology. There are other religions, learn them, cherish them, accept them.
2: your only shaking people who already agreed with you. your point is moot and invalidated by 1.

your arguing from your beliefs standpoint, since angels and their likings exist in multiple beliefs (though not in name, they usually tend to only be similiar, very rarely do the names match)
Not everyone is Christian, and not everyone believes in your god named God.

This is all nonsense. But understandable from a human being with a closed mind and a bible close by.

To start, there was one. One became two, god and the other. They each divided into five parts. And each of those parts divided into two, and so on after that.

Im sorry to say Kohen, but i am in the state of mind now to were i think nothing is impossible, and who is to say all these so called facts about Angels? The word Fact itself has been proven over and over again through out history to be false, wrong, and well not real. Facts are often lies made up by people who dont want the masses to see the truth. If we allow ourselves to live on this earth believing only things that are considered facts, we will never progress as beings. Believing in facts is merely just a way of limiting your mind. Bless

But still there is a mountain of evidence that the bible and torah really are God's word such as in archaeology, forensics, Out of body experiences, near death experiences, visions and miracles such as the red sea parting and words appearing on the 2 tablets. There is an entire mountain of evidence that the bible and torah really are God's word and you cant just ignore the evidence, maybe you ignore the evidence because its so strong and proves the new age movement is wrong. If I'm asked to receive the mark of the beast on my forehead I will reject it. Leonidas I who fought at the battle of thermopylae in ancient times was also given a chance to surrender and have peace and stuff by Xerxes but he was brave and rejected and would rather die instead. Xerxes' empire was like the new age movement.

There is an entire mountain of evidence that the bible and torah really are God/Yahweh's word and snowcrystal is either possessed by thousands of demons or her brain has problems and needs a transplant or something.

P.S We must tear apart this NAM.

Be careful everyone, snowcrystal is possessed by many demons or has been driven insane by them. Snowcrystal the bible and torah are the word of God/Yahweh because he wrote on the ten commandments, this can be proven by OBEs, NDEs, Yahweh parted the ocean and led the israelites across drowning their persuers and the body of the dead pharoah is preserved by God's power without mummification as a reminder to us that the Torah and holy books are his word. This New Age Christianity of snowcrystal's is very dangerous and can open you up to demonic possession. SnowCrystal go talk to an ORTHODOX Rabbi and not a new age one.

I read something up there about what is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Wasn't that Christ talking to Nicodemus about the need to be baptized to be born again of water and spirit? I think it's John 3:3-7...in reading that baptism is more than just getting wet or am I wrong?

Well I terribly disagree. I believe the spirits of angels are the the same spirits that are put into human beings. All human beings. I believe some remain in Heaven while others are down here dying mortal deaths. Well not death, the soul or spirit doesn't die. Besides The Earth is just another place in Heaven, I'm standing here right now. I haven't left Heaven, nor will I die. It's just an experience. There are no superior beings. I disagree with all the stuff said about angels. I don't believe in demons either. Death is only a bodily death and I wasn't born in this body. I was created in Heaven.

I believe that there are many beautiful angels here on this planet. I also believe that they are no more important than the other beings on this planet. God loves all of us :)

Please forgive me for not reading through all the comments, but I think quantum physics does a pretty darn good job of explaining the nature of the Universe and all its dimensions, and I can apply this knowledge to the subject matter being discussed in the above story.



1.) All matter is energy.



2.) All energy has a wavelength (vibration).



3.) Vibration can only exist in time.



4.) Everything is energy, therefore everything is a vibration.



5.) Time is a function of consciousness (perception, observation). If you don't believe me, start taking note of how you feel and how fast your mind moves, and look at a clock every once in awhile. You'll notice different emotional and mental states have an effect on the way that time "flows."





6.) We have more than one body. Most people are not sensitive enough to observe the workings of their other bodies because they are not physical. These bodies include the chi (qi) body, the emotional body, the astral body, the etheric body, and the causal body, among others. There are plenty of methods for developing your sensitivity. Pick the one that suits you best.



7.) All energy and all matter are affected by observation alone. Proof of this can be found in the famous double-slit experiment. Look it up and you will see what I mean. The word "observation" can be taken to mean the interaction between two bodies of matter (whether physical or spiritual, as any witness to ghost activity will tell you).



a.) A shift in perspective/viewpoint can change your entire life.



b.) The Universe responds to thought. A belief is a thought you keep thinking over and over.



c.) See for yourself. Make your own observations. Your perception will be limited by your thoughts and beliefs. The quieter your mind is, the more you will be able to see/observe.



d.) No knowledge is absolute.

I may be a bit late in saying this, but your entire work becomes broken at a single point. And I quote, "Angels cannot create. . . Jesus did not become an angel, Jesus became man and was born of the Virgin Mary. To say when we die, we become angels is a step down for us. This is why Lucifer rebelled against God, because Jesus did not become and angel (like Lucifer), Jesus became a human being and Lucifer could not stand playing second fiddle to human beings. That is why satan hates us. Lucifer was a seraphim, the highest of all the angels and the ones closest to God. But Lucifer rebelled against God because Jesus became a lowly human rather than an angel. Lucifer was one of the highest of angels but refused to worship the human Body of Christ." Where was your Biblical study when you wrote this? You use so many Bible quotes to attempt at the solidification of a crumbling edifice. What was the reason that the Son had come to Earth as a human? Because Lucifer had already fallen far before then in the Garden of Eden. He had instilled sin in humanity far before Christ was born human. Sir, you need to study the very basics of your subject before writing entire essays on something you believe you believe to be an expert on. Your argument has become null because of your idiocy. You also stated that Michael was merely an archangel. Do your research. Michael was both an archangel and a seraphim. I refused to continue reading at the point which I read this fallacy of both literature and Biblical content. By the way, I'm a sixteen year-old boy. I am also a seraph-incarnate, and I refuse to let someone persuade me to think that a prophet lied to me. I would be glad to get into existential debate with you, as well.

Kohen:



Ok, I have been reading some of these rather degrading comments of yours.... it is now my time to speak:



Woe unto you, oh person who is blinded by books and only sees what the men in black teacheth you.



I pray for you, my friend.... that you will open your heart to the Lord.... and that you will understand love... instead of chastizing those that do not believe what you do.



I am by no means perfect, but I must say.... I am shedding tears for you. And I will pray for you. It is people like you that makes me cry, and pray to the Lord for your deliverance. People are too blinded by what OTHERS tell them, and are too set on the words of the Bible and their interpretation of it. They believe they KNOW the "Truth of the Lord our God..." but NO ONE BUT GOD HIMSELF knows the Truth. You are too blinded by what is written in books... and what MAN, and not God, has written. Man wrote the Bible... It was not even God or even Jesus who wrote the bible, but man's INTERPRETATION of Jesus' life, his teachings, etc. that constitute the Bible. And mind you, as others have already said there were a LOT of scriptures of still MAN'S interpretation that were NOT included.... so how can people continue to claim it as THE WORD OF GOD?? When it was not even written by God.



It would be like me writing a book on my interpretation about God and Jesus' teachings, and saying "It is the word of God!!!" I would be deemed a lunatic, and probably thrown into an insane asylumn, or in olden times deemed a witch and burned at the stake. The same concept can be said for the Bible. It is a BOOK to TEACH us about the life of Jesus Christ, his teachings, etc. But it does not necessarily mean it is the word of the Lord.



I, for one, do not use the Bible to dictate my beliefs or my life. Am I perfect? NO. I know I make mistakes, or other more "Christian" people may see it as "sin." But, tell me then Kohan, how am I able to perform exorcisms, if I am defied by God for what I believe?? How was I able to save my friends who were demon-inflicted if I am against God and according to you, am damned to Hell?



I do not think I am a reincarnated Angel. I just so happen to come across this forum and found it interesting. I also started reading your posts... and my friend... I hope that one day you will open up your heart and see what everyone else can clearly see with your own eyes. No one can know the complete Truth... but I DO hope that one day you will learn to love ALL as Jesus did... learn to accept others for their differences, forgiveness and undertanding... as JESUS HIMSELF did... he was an example to us all.. of unconditional love and understanding.



Yet instead of grasping that and learning acceptance and unconditional love, here you are sending others to damnation for THEIR beliefs, and for others who HAVE learned unconditional love and acceptance of ALL. That itself is PLAYING GOD, and if I am correct, is the worst sin possible. Jesus gave unconditional love for all: he did not chastize people who were against his beliefs, or who lived a life of prostitution... instead he understood them, cried for them... and loved them still and looked at them softly with forgiveness and understanding. Yet here you are saying it goes AGAINST his word or teachings?? Tell me, then, who the real hypocrite is?



Are ye in that case, not much different from the "men in black" who delude others from the Truth and misinterpret the words of Jesus or God? And PLAYING GOD by saying you know HIS WORD when it is only GOD HIMSELF who knows the TRUTH. My fellow friend, in my eyes you are too blinded what MAN has told you.... I DO pray and hope one day you will see what we see... and open your heart to love and understanding.



I am by no means chastizing what you believe. I understand... I UNDERSTAND that people want to believe what people from the "Church" tell them to be the Truth, I understand people are blinded by this (not JUST you, MANY are), and I forgive you and understand you for it.... I see you as a Brother. We are ALL "Children of God," and all of us were created in HIS image. But I DO think you need to learn acceptance, my young friend. If not, then at least leave these poor people on here in peace if you refuse to accept, and be on your merry way. Stop flaming and "casting others unto Hell," for you have NO RIGHT or place to do that. Only GOD, our Lord and savior, can cast others unto Hell and deem who is going to Heaven or Hell.



I will continue to pray for you. May you have a blessed day and I hope one day you will no longer be blinded and see more than just an open book tells you....

My fine sir, i'd hate to say it, but saying God is perfect, and following the old testament in any way, is simply ridiculous.The old testament is disgrace to the fundamentals of christianity.

i don't think the NAM promotes the left hand path (service to self, self worship.) I'm not a christian but have a deep reverence for jesus and his teachings. However what I consider myself is a servent of the universal spirit, and that's very VERY new age. To me -everyone and everything combined- is god. the WHOLE is god. we are all like leaves of a tree, we think we are seperate and yet we are part of god, jointly. If i were to write a book about this and the cosmic joke and the cosmic egg etc and how we're all interconnected and in reality actually one It would be described as "new age" -no part of that encourages selfishness, it only adds to and reaffirms jesus's own message that the kingdom of god is within us.

What is so wrong in living comfortably? No matter what you believe i would hope that the Creator you ascribe to would, at the very least, be a benevolent and loving one.

If they are, then life is a gift and something to be treasured. if you are comfortable and happy, then perhaps you are doing it right.

If you spend all of your time in conflict and anger, then there appears to be something that's in direct conflict to what you stand for.

You always seem to be battling and upset with the world. unless it happens to be one of those who kiss you backside and tell you how wise you are.

On one thread you seem to be preaching the most fundamental of Christianity, on another you seem to be angry with God and telling how screwed up belief in God is.

I'm not sure what your beliefs are, or if you simply like to pick a fight.

But if you have this belief that you are in some way frightening or intimidating, you are wrong.

You don't intimidate. In fact, most that i have spoken to find you either mildly annoying or one to be pitied.

You should really open your heart more and, even if you don't want to believe in the beliefs of others, at least find happiness in yours.

You claim to be a witch, ok. Well isn't the Wiccan Rede, if it harms none, do as you will?

What these people believe harms none but themselves.

While the venom and hatred that you spew harms many. If you don't want to live by others beliefs, at least live by your own

@ Leporid,



This is one of those rare occasions when you actually run into some who is right. Mystik is not only sure she is right but also that you are wrong.... and there is no exit ramp on that one.



At some point she learned to spell truth and it has stuck.. at the same camp meeting she learned that all of us are fools.



But as a fellow fool.. I must agree with your initial comment... this is a funny post.



...................................... Lou

@ MystikRage

There is no TRUTH. Nothing can be proved. Life might just be a dream and nothing any more real and tangible than a thought.

All of us hairless monkeys are foolish, jumping, screaking, pretending we are more than we are. If God exists He must be rolling on the floor with laughter!

What does it matter what one human thinks? Let themtry to find some meaning for themselves if it gives them comfort. Far be it for me to take away or even rattle their belief.



Some are SOOO sure. They are sooo convinced.



Prove one thing to me. Prove that you are not a figment of my imagination,a fever dream of a god lost in sleep. If you cannot, then you cannot prove anything, know the Truth about anything.



Try to find comfort, seek joy, be happy and let others have their dreams.



Now you have me doing exactly what I am apposing. I applaude you if you were doing that on purpose.

Such a funny post. Like we could ever know the "TRUTH".

I am always amused to find the people who are absolutely CONVINCED that they know the TRUTH. We KNOW nothing! We believe what we believe. It is not your responcibility to push your TRUTH on anyone else. That kind of **** causes wars.

Let it be. Let folks believe what they want to, believe what gives them comfort or joy, believe whatever makes them feel special and beleive they have a purpose and meaning in their lives.

Ok, I havent determined one way or the other about my beliefs on incarnated angels, but your argument is a little flawed.

Most people argue that angels are spiritual only due to the verse in Hebrews 1:14 which states: " Are not all angels ministering spirits? Sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?"

But that doesn state that they are only spirit in body. It simply calls them misinistering spirits. I have heard the same term used for those in the medical feild as well, does this mean that they are only spiritual of body?

Angels cannot create. You are absolutely right. But then neither can we. Unless of course you are speaking of creation as in the case of breeding. In which case you should look to the book of Genesis where the "Sons of God" mated with the "Daughters of man".

Dont think that refers to angels? Well then you should check out the books of Enoch. Even though they later chose to remove it from the cannonical bible, it is Quoted by Jesus himself in the new testament, which is a pretty good reference as far as I am concerned.

Lucifer is not a fallen seraphim. Lucifer actually refers to the King of Babylon as shown in Isaiah 14:4 and Ezekiel 28:2. He doesnt hate us. he died thousands of years ago.

And if your ARE referring to Satan. To which one?

Satan is simply a hebrew term for adversary and there have been many over the years. If you are referring to a fallen angel, then again, to which one? Azazel to whom all sin is ascribed? To Sammael? With whom there is no pity or mercy, for he is the dark side of God's Justice? or to numerous others?

I fully believe in salvation through the ressurection of Jesus, but I also think it is time for people to quit stealing away the magic of God's creation.

There were miracles galore at oe time, including the incarnation of angels. The bible and related texts are FULL of them. but yet you and others refuse to see it.

You refer to Michael as a lowly Archangel. He is hardly lowly. And if you didnt depend on a mistaken heirachy written by Dionysus the Areopagite, instead fo the ones handed down by Jewish texts, then you would know that each choir, or rank, of angels has an archangel. They are not a rank unto themselves. Michael was not, is not, and never could be considered "lowly" He is one of the princes of Heaven.

We are allowed to share ion God's creative power and they are not? Really? So you honestly believe that a being of Love, such as God, would be such a bad parent as to pick one of his children over the other? No, we are no better than the angels, get your ego off your shoulders. We all have different places in the Grand Plan of God.

Again we go back to yur suggestion that angels are stictly spiritual beings. But there are numerous examples that they are capable of being physical as well. Lets take the story of Lot, as it is one of my favorites and you suggested it. they were in clothes that gleamed like lightning. Where in there does it say that they were spitirtual? Because they Wore impressive garments? In the story, angel came down to save Lot from the destruction of Sodom. The men of the City saw them and surrounded Lot's house, because they wanted to rape the angels. Do you really think that if the angels were purely spiritual, that the evil men of Sodom would have even seen them? Much less thought that they could have sex with them?

And even if they did, Lot was so concerned for the safety of the angels that he offered up his own daughters instead. Do you think that, if the angels were purely spiritual as you say, that he would have been in the least concerned at what these moratl physical men would have done to them?

Matthew records that the angel who rolled back the stone had an appearance like lightning. So, he glowed. The fact that he rolled back the stone means that he would have had to manifest a physical presence in soe form. Spiritual and physical do not exist on the same plane of reality. To interact one must become more like the other.

Angels are endowed with great intelligence. ok, but how does that make them purely spiritual?

You say that angels only function as God commands, but if this was true there would be no such thing as a fallen angel would there?

They are capable of amazing things, but, again, this does not mean that they are purely spiritual. It would simply mean that they are, obviously, supernatural.

I know this may shake you, but what you have heard about angels is one sided rhetoric and false.

I am not an Incarnated Angel, I am a person who reads and studies his bible and other religious texts daily.

What you said did not shake me. It made me hope that you would read more so that you might know the true majesty of God's work

totoh82 You omitted a substantial amount of information on the last supper and simply dismissed it.This any christian would find very insulting.In reality this was one of the most profound moments in Jesus’ ministry allow me to elaborate.



At the Last Supper Jesus did something that had been announced 1,850 years before when Melchizedek came and offered a sacrifice of bread and wine. With Melchizedek as in Psalm 110, Malachi chapter 1, or when Jesus fed the multitude and multiplied the loaves, we have different previews of coming attractions.



When Jesus Christ gave his famous speech in the synagogue in Capernaum about the bread of life, he was announcing what was going to happen at the Last Supper and on the following day. We know that since the passage of the Red Sea a command was given by God through Moses that every year Jews would celebrate the Passover, because on the night before they left, the angel of the Lord came and passed over every family that had put blood on the door post. This is really the commemoration, and Jesus faithfully celebrated the Passover every year. What happened the day before He died is very important for you to understand.



He gave His body, this is My body. You need to think about that. Then in the same way with the cup after eating saying as He did so, this cup is the New Covenant in My blood which will be shed for you. Jesus is telling us this cup is the New Covenant, a covenant passed in the blood of Jesus. He prophesies that His blood will be shed. We know that this will take place on the following day. This cup is the new covenant in My blood and Matthew adds, you must all drink from it. When we reflect on the Last Supper, we know what Jesus did, we know that He took bread and he took wine. We know that He relived the sacrifice of Melchizedek, in offering a sacrifice of bread and wine.



You must understand two things about a sacrifice. In a sacrifice there’s an offering and a destruction. The bread was offered and the bread was destroyed; It was no longer bread. He said this is My body, He didn’t say, this is bread. This is My body. He took the cup, offered the cup of wine, destroyed the wine. This is not wine anymore, this is My blood, this was a sacrifice.

Clearly at the Last Supper it’s a real sacrifice, at Calvary, it’s a real sacrifice



During Jesus' 33 years of life on earth, living and experiencing everything that man experiences, He lived without sin. This made Him the pure and spotless lamb that was without defect ,a perfect sacrifice.



As you can see it was not just another Passover meal, saying that would be absurd and naive. Only a person ignorant of Christ life would condone such utterances.



Unfortunately in your case totoh82 you clearly follow multiple doctrines, so you cannot claim to be offended or have a stance on anything, because you follow everything. That is purely your choice but as for me I am Christian meaning I follow of Christ .



In conclusion totoh82 you may want to heed your own advice and "Learn to read the texts properly first, then think twice about what you're saying."

Lou2012 the bible teaches us that in all existence, from all eternity, there has been and always will be only one God. God was never created, is completely loving, completely just, completely holy, completely merciful and that He desires the best for us. God is holy and He can have nothing to do with sin as the Bible says, "His eyes are too pure to look upon evil," (Hab. 1:13). This does not mean that God cannot see what someone does that is wrong. It is a way of describing how holy God is. God cannot sin. He is perfect.